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26. Luglio 2010, 02:00:02
Papa Zoom 
Argomento: Ah yes, Britain
Britan's NHS to make massive cuts and ration basic services
Rick Moran
Britain's national health care system is broken.

Duh.

What is truly pitiful, however, is the idea that the bureaucrats think that by tweaking things here and there that they can fix it. This piece in the Telegraph shows why that's akin to The Impossible Dream:

Some of the most common operations - including hip replacements and cataract surgery - will be rationed as part of attempts to save billions of pounds, despite government promises that front-line services would be protected.
Patients' groups have described the measures as "astonishingly brutal".
An investigation by The Sunday Telegraph has uncovered widespread cuts planned across the NHS, many of which have already been agreed by senior health service officials. They include:
* Restrictions on some of the most basic and common operations, including hip and knee replacements, cataract surgery and orthodontic procedures.
* Plans to cut hundreds of thousands of pounds from budgets for the terminally ill, with dying cancer patients to be told to manage their own symptoms if their condition worsens at evenings or weekends.
* The closure of nursing homes for the elderly.
* A reduction in acute hospital beds, including those for the mentally ill, with targets to discourage GPs from sending patients to hospitals and reduce the number of people using accident and emergency departments.
* Tighter rationing of NHS funding for IVF treatment, and for surgery for obesity.
Other changes include thousands of job losses and cost cutting for pediatric and maternity programs as well as care for the elderly.
How about that American cancer patients; do you want a system that tells you to go to hell if you happen to be in unbearable pain on a weekend? And you better not have an accident - you might simply be turned away for lack of beds - and a lack of concern.
We are told by national health care advocates - including our brand new Medicare chief Donald Berwick - that rationing is the wave of the future and there''s nothing that can be done except have government determine who gets what as far as health care is concerned.
The pitilessness of the British model turns my stomach. And the hell of it is, Americans will not wake up to what Obamacare really means until they are personally affected by the changes. By then it will be far too late to step back from the brink and we'll end up like Great Britain; tinkering with a failed system that will only make things worse for everyone.

26. Luglio 2010, 01:32:20
Papa Zoom 
Argomento: Re: who sail that liberals are cockroaches and must be killed?
Tuesday: It doesn't matter that times have changed. You don't eliminate liberties and use that as an excuse.

26. Luglio 2010, 01:31:44
Papa Zoom 
Argomento: Re:You all need to stop attacking the president the way you do...making him out to be Hitler, anti-american, etc. It's dangerous.
Tuesday: You mean the way you and others here did when Bush was president?

26. Luglio 2010, 01:30:46
Papa Zoom 
well-armed
adj (well armed when postpositive)
1. having many or good weapons well-armed forces
2. suitably prepared in advance well-armed for an argument

26. Luglio 2010, 01:20:56
Papa Zoom 
Argomento: Re: who sail that liberals are cockroaches and must be killed?
Tuesday:

26. Luglio 2010, 01:14:52
Papa Zoom 
Argomento: Re: who sail that liberals are cockroaches and must be killed?
Tuesday: This is rather big, far more than normal.

I like Michele and I like her message. I'm 100% with her. She's a smart lady and I agree that we conservatives (republicans, independents, and democrats) need to arm ourselves and get ready for a huge fight.

26. Luglio 2010, 01:05:44
Papa Zoom 
Argomento: Re: who sail that liberals are cockroaches and must be killed?
Ferris Bueller: Micheal Savage is a bit radical and most conservatives take him with a grain of salt. for anyone suggest that Bachmann was suggesting taking up "guns" is laughable. I see such a ploy for what it is: desperation on the left because they know they are losing ground.

Why do you think you liberals are going to lose big time in November? People hate the policies of the left and they particularly hate the policies of Obama.

25. Luglio 2010, 23:57:11
Ferris Bueller 
Argomento: Re: who sail that liberals are cockroaches and must be killed?

Artful Dodger:  It seems to be a right wing talk radio thing to refer to liberals as "cockroaches" who are subhuman  It quickly follows that cockroaches are to be exterminated.  Micheal Savage comes to mind as someone who outright advocates death.  He once told a Gay man that he should "die of Aids".


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1948673167839820753#


There is also Glenn Beck's now famous tirade about killing Michael Moore or hiring someone to do it for him.


You may can cite samples of this kind of talk by liberal pundits.  That's not responsible either.  You might also laugh this kind of propaganda off as "sarcasm", but many people do not.


25. Luglio 2010, 23:25:11
Papa Zoom 
Argomento: Re:Name ONE thing he has done to change the country into something other than what the founders intended. ONE.
Tuesday: You will never achieve a utopia of financial equity. There will always be the haves and have nots. It's the haves that create the businesses that create the jobs. Like it or not, without the rich, there would be many many more poor people.

25. Luglio 2010, 23:13:50
Papa Zoom 
Argomento: Re:Name ONE thing he has done to change the country into something other than what the founders intended. ONE.
Tuesday: Read your history. They fully addressed the issue of a national banking system. They opposed it.

They strongly opposed the government's involvement in the private sector. They strongly supported a limited government.

Read the Federalist Papers.

25. Luglio 2010, 23:09:25
Papa Zoom 
Argomento: Re:Name ONE thing he has done to change the country into something other than what the founders intended. ONE.
Tuesday: Nationalizing Banks.

Creating a "share the wealth" heavily taxed system.

Universal Health care

cap and trade (pushing big time for this)

25. Luglio 2010, 23:07:56
Papa Zoom 
Argomento: Re:Combining everything she's says with getting armed and dangerous...not good.
Tuesday: I disagree. I say that it is very good.

25. Luglio 2010, 23:04:00
Papa Zoom 
Argomento: Re:at's because you're on the right.
Tuesday: No, it's because what she says is true. I see a president that is changing America into something other than what the founders intended. He'll be defeated. First in November and then in 2012.

25. Luglio 2010, 23:02:41
Papa Zoom 
Argomento: Re:armed and dangerous
Tuesday: Yes and it's a metaphor but most uneducated democrats would miss it. We should be armed with the truth (even the Bible speaks using this exact metaphoric language) so that we can be dangerous to the opposition.

Knowledge is power. Leave it to wimpy minded liberals to resort to manufacturing a straw man.

25. Luglio 2010, 22:59:18
Papa Zoom 
I couldn't agree with Bachmann more. Most everything she said in those videos expresses a view of mine.

25. Luglio 2010, 22:57:48
Papa Zoom 
Ok, video number two. Bachmann is again, right on.

25. Luglio 2010, 22:53:15
Papa Zoom 
The Young Turks are ultra liberal. One video so far and the only nut in the video was the moron commentator host. Michele Bachmann was right on in her assessment of Obama.

25. Luglio 2010, 22:39:45
The Col 
Argomento: Re:
Tuesday: Imagine a world without gay people............not a world I'd want to live in,not having Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, would alone be a deal breaker.I don't think homophobes realise how much of a void we would have in the world without the contributions of the gay community

25. Luglio 2010, 22:33:34
The Col 
Argomento: Re:
Tuesday: If he's a she, fine, just don't deny what you are

25. Luglio 2010, 22:30:12
The Col 
Bachman & Palin have set women in politics back a few decades.I might buy them a drink in a bar, but they are both dense.All sizzle no steak

25. Luglio 2010, 22:20:18
The Col 
Argomento: Re: Michele Bachman
Artful Dodger: She crossed the wacko dixon line years ago

25. Luglio 2010, 22:19:56
Papa Zoom 
Argomento: Re: Michele Bachman
Jim Dandy: In the meantime, I wish you'd post a couple of examples (in your own words) why you think she's a wacko.

25. Luglio 2010, 22:19:11
Papa Zoom 
Argomento: Re: Michele Bachman
Jim Dandy: I'm not convinced she's a whacko but then I haven't seen the videos yet. I will look soon tho.

25. Luglio 2010, 22:05:07
The Col 
Argomento: Re: Michele Bachman
Modificato da The Col (25. Luglio 2010, 22:05:24)
Tuesday: She's actually not bad looking, and lord knows how many times I let good looking trump wacko

25. Luglio 2010, 22:00:11
Papa Zoom 
Argomento: Re:
Tuesday: I'll look at those links tho ;)

25. Luglio 2010, 21:58:33
Papa Zoom 
Argomento: Re:
Tuesday: Michele Bachman's

She's another of my heros

25. Luglio 2010, 18:45:25
Mort 
Anita Moncrief ... fired for using a business expense card for personal items.

Sounds like a disgruntled thief rather than a pillar of democracy.

25. Luglio 2010, 18:43:58
Mort 
Argomento: Re:
Tuesday~Ferris Bueller: We have free speech here.. as long as it is not used to lie, cause hatred and the like. Then it's either a libel case or court. You can say what you want.. but if you break the law (which is very liberal) expect to be held to account.

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