Artful Dodger: N' if they stopped cheating the system they could be on a lower rate. N' maybe it'd lessen the national debt.

But let's all defend the 1% as they are surely good church going, over donation stating, right wing Americans.

... Are they therefore by colour of the Green Party?

Obama's Freudian Slip

"If...if asking a billionaire to pay the same tax rate as a jew...uh...as a janitor makes me a warrior for the working class, I wear that with a badge of honour."

This is our great orator? Does he even know what he just said? Forgetting the glaring Freudian slip for a moment, does anyone here think a billionaire would NOT want to pay the same tax rate as a Jew janitor? Last time I check, billionaires pay a much higher rate than most in the working class.

"McCain didn't choose her. The GOP did because they WANTED to throw the election. They knew that NO ONE was going to fix the economy overnight, and by the time of the NEXT cycle they could blame it on the Dems. Pretty clever really."

Perhaps the real economists who were able to access the country's accounts and gave the GOP advise told the truth.

"They knew that NO ONE was going to fix the economy overnight"

and so the blame game began

At least 80 people have been arrested during an anti-Wall Street march in New York's financial district.

Several hundred people took part in Saturday's march, which was intended to draw attention to "corporate greed and corrupt politics" in the US. Participants carried banners supporting a range of other issues, including healthcare reform, an end to US wars and the scrapping of the death penalty.

The march came after a week of protests by the Occupy Wall Street campaign.

The loosely organised group says it is defending 99% of the US population against the wealthiest 1%, and had called for 20,000 people to "flood into lower Manhattan" on 17 September and remain there for "a few months".

"The enemy is the big business leaders of Wall Street, the big oil company leaders, the coal company leaders, the big military industrial leaders." A number of placards also called for "justice for Troy Davies", the US man executed in Georgia last week amid widespread criticism.

Police said most of Saturday's arrests were for disorderly conduct and blocking traffic, but one person was charged with assaulting a police officer. One officer also suffered a shoulder injury, said police.

They have not commented on protest organisers' comments that there had been an "unprecedented level of police aggression" on display.

... The bosses always do get extra protection. One has only to look back at how lords and other nobles of the land faired well. As long as they paid respect to the '''KiNg'''

love it.:)

Tommorrow you just might find a piece of history in your back yard. UARS is coming down... somewhere!!

Sorry... might be not accurate, the tax reform figures are a gain for the federal deficit cut plans are $150,000,000,000 per year, not $1,000,000,000,000 as is owed and lost each year.


Guess asking the masters to pay up the 20% of reportable income they keep tax free (approx) and defraud the US by breaking the law of the land is just a step to far!! ... quoting 2008 figures here btw.

When the rich are seen (supposed to be our peers) cheating, lying and greedy... what is honest Joe supposed to think?

Obama proposes to recoup some of the $1,000,000,000,000+ lost through tax fraud and evasion that the US elite top wage earners commit each year.

.... A common fraud is over exaggerating donations to churches and other charities. Common with men under 50!!

Who will protest at some form of clamping down on fraud? After all it's less than half the tax evasion loss to the USA... A reversal of the old Robin Hood, steal from the poor to 'bling' up the rich.

Yeah we need someone who won't have a nice job lined up at the end of his term, not lobbied on nice parties *burp* .. cash.. off shore accounts .. Clothes .. N' other little perks (as one racing driver says in his head & shoulders ad) that goes from so many pressure groups.

Yeah.. A real fiscal conservative!!

N' when they are out.. they can blame the next one!! N' so on and so on... zzzzzzzz

Both known for storing moths in their billfolds

Jack Benny for VP

rod03801: Yes, a REAL fiscal conservative!!!

Vikings: Before my time. Comedian, right?

rod03801: Milton Berle for prez

The EXTREME end of that isn't always appropriate. But right now, we need the extreme end of it to straighten things out.

Artful Dodger: We just need someone fiscally conservative at this point. It's the most vital thing.

rod03801: At this point, Animal, the muppet, could lead better than Obama.

Artful Dodger: THAT is clear!

I can't WAIT for November 2012. Going to be SO satisfying to vote him out. Just like how satisfying it was to get decent people in the House in 2010.

Dems/network news//TV/etc, refuse to believe that the PEOPLE don't WANT this incompetent moron and the other libs like him.

And I HOPE a Tea Partier is the winner.

Though unfortunately it'll be middle of the road Romney probably. But that's fine. Whoever can beat Obama will be good. All I care is that he is GONE

rod03801: It's so funny how they spin anything to protect the ONE. It's laughable. Obama is an incompetent moron. History will prove that.

Artful Dodger: Uh oh! I guess it's not "clear" to you!

(V): What an old and lame excuse. All presidents inherit something. But the CURRENT mess is OBAMA'S OWN making. We're far more in debt because of his policies, have far more unemployment after three years with this moron, he's thrown tons of money away on failed enterprises, and now he wants MORE of the same. NO. You're wrong here. The current mess is ALL OBAMA. And it's time for libs like yourself to be honest about that FACT.

rod03801: Good!! It's nice that we don't have to go around in circles.

I remember from watching a few *cough* shows on human behaviour on how some like to think they have the power to change things, sometimes on how a group of people think they can change things/or someone.

...It don't work unless the things/person wants to change.

Same rules apply to humans on a large scale. Or, as an example.. when are MP's got caught with their hands in the public purse building duck ponds. They all said it was the other parties fault. Yet the Tories change the rules so they could do it.. but Labour did not stop the rot until us voters found out!!

(V): Oh, believe me. It's VERY clear.

N' quite frankly the idea of some religious nut (as with the current Tea party/Conservative/neo con candidates) getting in the Oval office.. .. as everyone in the US has to admit is the only kinda right winger will get elected!!

....thinking God is on their side as they go to war.

We'd lock up anyone who thought they had a right to do that in the UK, rather than let them be our CEO. Seriously, we came so close to oblivion during the Cold war.. on more than one occasion.. that anyone with rabid ideology should never be placed where there is a red button.

And anyone thinking that God is going to kill mosta human kind on a bet (re Job) ain't safe in power!!

rod03801: So explain to me where I said Obama gets a free pass?

Is telling the truth of how the US system is a free pass or just admission that through analysis....

...... It doesn't matter who gets in at the moment eg if the hardware is screwed how is any new software gonna make any difference to the machine (aka the USA) ..it's still screwed.

Is that clear?

....Remember only a few Americans own most of America, and as my college lawyer teacher said.

"Property is NINE TENTH'S of the law"

(V): Seems you're keeping to that "prediction" though, because I don't recall accusing any lib of "putting words in my mouth", though you just seem to have done it. That IS quite a moment, eh?

rod03801: No... I never said that. I thought it was us "libs" that were supposed to put words in conservative mouths...

Maybe we had a quantum moment eh Rod!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrxqTtiWxs4&

(V): So, basically, it's NEVER his responsibility. He gets a free pass to screw up as much as he can.
Says it all

rod03801: ... you want a politician to tell you before he gets in office that the country is screwed. And even if I get in there is little to do about it because of our political system, and the interference by the masters.... Mmmmmm I can just imagine that as part of the election speech.

Also, you want him to be honest and say that to reverse and fix the problem will take decades, and to ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8lVXQfPXRw

Says it all

(V): And how many years does it take before Obama has any responsibility himself?

He knew what he was getting, and he assured that all would be well.

Artful Dodger: Everything...... I think many things were pretty screwed up before hand, he just inherited a mess

A laser beam that makes molecules vibrate could help detect improvised explosive devises, say scientists.

Every molecule vibrates with a unique frequency - so the laser could "sense" bombs while scanning the ground from a safe distance.

The Michigan State University team's work is another attempt to curb the number of deaths from roadside bombs in places such as Afghanistan.

The research appears in the journal Applied Physical Letters.

An improvised explosive device is a homemade bomb and more than half the deaths of coalition soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan have been as a result of IEDs.

The lead developer of the laser sensor, Dr Marcos Dantus said detecting IEDs has always been a challenge because of the chemical compounds present in the environment that mask the bomb's molecules.

"Having molecular structure sensitivity is critical for identifying explosives and avoiding unnecessary evacuation of buildings and closing roads due to false alarms," he said. The invention uses a laser beam that combines short pulses that "kick" the molecules to make them vibrate with longer pulses.

"The laser and the method we've developed were originally intended for microscopes, but we were able to adapt and broaden its use to demonstrate its effectiveness for standoff detection of explosives," said Dr Dantus.

The researcher said he was not able to describe the technology behind the invention in great detail because of the project's sensitive nature.

Gene Roddenberry either was way ahead of his time... or knew some aliens!!

"September 19, 2011
Warmists have new excuse
James Lewis




Oh, ye of little faith! Do you doubt Global Warming? Just because world temps haven't followed the computer models for, ummm, a decade or so?

Rejoice! There is an answer. It comes to us courtesy of Reuters, the official home of Eurosocialist superstitions.

Like the eurozone, which is also breaking down. Global warming and other euro fantasies going down at the same time? Could this be a coincidence?


"Reuters, New York - The mystery of Earth's missing heat may have been solved: it could lurk deep in oceans, temporarily masking the climate-warming effects of greenhouse gas emissions, researchers reported on Sunday.

Climate scientists have long wondered where this so-called missing heat was going ... The world temperature should have risen more than it did, scientists at the National Centre for Atmospheric Research reckoned. ... They knew greenhouse gas emissions were rising ... and yet temperatures were not going up as much as projected"

And so the heat got together and said, "Let's play a trick on the humans and hide on the bottom of the ocean!"

(V): May as well. He's screwed up everything else in the world.

Artful Dodger: UARS entry has changed dates? Is that to be blamed on Obama as well??

(V): check yer calendar

Artful Dodger: Nooooooooo!!

You mean this isn't 2020??

September 18, 2011
Misogynist-in-Chief
M Catharine Evans




According to high level women at the White House, President Obama fits the definition of a male chauvinist pig. Who would have believed it? Too bad liberal feminist voters looked the other way when candidate Obama told a female reporter "hold on sweetie" or when a watchdog group revealed the Senator paid his male staffers more than female employees working in comparable positions. What about when he objectified Sarah Palin in campaign ads?

Now according to his book, Confidence Men: Wall Street, Washington, and The Education of A President, scheduled for release on September 20 journalist, Ron Suskind tells what it's like for women in the Obama White House. I guess electing the most pro-abortion President doesn't make up for being treated like Palin and Clinton in 2008.

One of Suskind's unnamed sources, a "top female official" stated the discrimination was everywhere even in the Oval Office.


"The president has a real woman problem. The idea of the boys' club being just Larry and Rahm isn't fair," she told Suskind, referring to former Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel and Larry Summers, former chairman of the National Economic Council. Obama "was just as responsible himself."

Former White House Communications Director Anita Dunn suggested the commander-in-chief as well as his male advisers may have violated federal laws.


This place would be in court for a hostile workplace...Because it actually fit all of the classic legal requirements for a genuinely hostile workplace to women.

Christine Romer, former head of the Council of Economic Advisers, found out the hard way Larry Summers, another Obama economics adviser, still harbored the belief "that innate differences between men and women might be one of the reasons women lag behind in science and math career."


"I felt like a piece of meat," Christina Romer...said of one meeting in which Suskind writes she was "boxed out" by Summers.

Oh my. Ms. Romer's indignation brings to mind a controversial cult-like propaganda piece published by none other than Gloria Steinem. Remember Ms. Magazine's 2009 inaugural issue with the One in superman pose? On his chest was the statement "This is what a feminist looks like." Exactly right, Gloria.

(V): I didn't forget that. It's not germaine to the point. Obama is president and you seem to be forgetting that fact.

Artful Dodger: You forget to mention that LightSquared have also supported Bush and gave equal funds (I think more) to the GOP. You also forget to mention that the problem with the GPS interference is in the upper frequency bands and they plan at the moment to just stick to using a lower frequency level.

Also, the GPS problems have been known for EIGHT YEARS, that the interference problems are because the GPS manufacturers are not building their receivers properly to "Department of Defence standards".

Basically cheap and nasty gear!!

September 16, 2011
Worse than Solyndra
Thomas Lifson




Add the name LightSquared to your crony capitalism watch list. The story emerging has elements even worse than the squandering of half a billion dollars on an Obama bundler's venture.

Brendan Sasso of The Hill reports:


LightSquared plans to provide high-speed wholesale wireless service nationwide through a network of satellites and land-based cell towers, but tests earlier this year revealed it interferes with GPS devices, including those used by the military.

One of the major investors in LightSquared is prominent Democratic donor, Philip Falcone.

The Daily Beast reported Thursday that the White House asked Air Force Gen. William Shelton to alter his planned remarks to lawmakers and their staff in a secured briefing about LightSquared.

According to the report, Shelton was pressured to change his testimony to show he supported the White House's policy to expand wireless broadband access and that the Pentagon would try to resolve the GPS interference issues with more testing within 90 days.

The Center for Public Integrity reported Wednesday that LightSquared sent emails to White House aides, at times mentioning its fundraising for Democrats and President Obama.

"We cannot afford to have federal telecommunication policy, especially where it affects national security, to be made in the same way this White House has parceled out a half billion dollars in loan guarantees to the failed Solyndra Corporation, a large political campaign contributor of the president," Turner said, referring to the bankrupt solar firm that received government loans.

rod03801: "survival of the fittest has nothing to do with right or wrong."

I'm talking about two irreconcilable points of view. I'm not attempting to mix the two as though they are same the thing, because that would be inaccurate as well as confusing. It's better to talk about them as if two purists were comparing notes.

An evolutionary purist doesn't believe in God, or is willing to allow the possiblity but doesn't acknowledge His involvement. He doesn't acknowledge morality because it is grounded in God. His own sense of 'morality' is grounded in himself (what man deems is right) and not in God, so his own version of 'morality' is called ethics.

The idea of right and wrong can transcend what we might find convenient, or beneficial only to ourselves. For reasons that should be obvious, a lot of people don't like the concept of morality, because what is right and wrong is ultimately determined by God and not by ourselves.

When an evolutionist talks about how evolution occured, he never puts it in terms of right and wrong. He never says morality played a part in evolution.. because evolution just happened, and the only forces in play were those that enabled a living thing to continue living and progress to becoming other living things. Survival of the fittest means whatever it takes to survive, and ultimately dominate and/or replace creatures who are not as fit as they are for survival.

If you watch nature shows you can't miss the fact that one of the features that enable survival is deception. I see it especially when they show ocean life.. or when someone here (not you) attempts to divert my attention to defending Christian principles, when the only point I was making was that it's okay to own a weapon if it's used for self defense. I was also accused of name calling when it was obvious I wasn't. An attempt to intimidate by alerting the moderator?

(V): Who said the American constitution is perfect? It did provide a templet for wrongs, which were already established practice, to be corrected. You talk about it as though the change should have been instantaneous. A better question would be, how did an established and approved of way of doing things, and practiced all over the world (including your own country), become abolished?

The constitution was built upon, among other things, judea-christian principles and laws and your own magna carta.

Were non white folk banned in England from owning guns immediately after your own slaves were freed?

So.. if the Constitution is so perfect... why were non white folk banned in many states of America from owning guns after the civil war?

Hardly fair and balanced.

Justaminute: Of course anyone who is not right wing is silly here. It's like Fox news

Justaminute: Simple quick answer. No.

This board is about Politics, not moderating. Future moderating conversations need to be held via PM.

Thank you.

From Carville no less:

"CNN:


People often ask me what advice I would give the White House about various things. Today I was mulling over election results from New York and Nevada while thinking about that very question. What should the White House do now? One word came to mind: Panic.

We are far past sending out talking points. Do not attempt to dumb it down. We cannot stand any more explanations. Have you talked to any Democratic senators lately? I have. It's pretty damn clear they are not happy campers.

This is what I would say to President Barack Obama: The time has come to demand a plan of action that requires a complete change from the direction you are headed.

I don't know how else to break this down. Simply put:

1. Fire somebody. No -- fire a lot of people. This may be news to you but this is not going well. For precedent, see Russian Army 64th division at Stalingrad. There were enough deaths at Stalingrad to make the entire tea party collectively orgasm.

Mr. President, your hinge of fate must turn. Bill Clinton fired many people in 1994 and took a lot of heat for it. Reagan fired most of his campaign staff in 1980. Republicans historically fired their own speaker, Newt Gingrich. Bush fired Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. For God's sake, why are we still looking at the same political and economic advisers that got us into this mess? It's not working."