they are both around 3 or 4 years old(in human years, dunno animal years) He seems to be getting a little better, he started to flap his wings again, though not as fast as normally. Zoey still seems to be fine. She even learned to eat some of the seeds as if she were holding a candy bar. I'll ceck out that link right now. and thanks for that scarlet rose. appreciate it. we also can't really aford a vet at this time though =( to many bills. if it were up to me he'd already be at the vet...