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Onderwerp: Re: Can somebody help the Go to stay alive on BrainKing ?
volant: If he could have, he would have. Marking dead stones is a very hard thing for a computer to do and even the best go counting algorithms aren't perfect. In the two games listed, there aren't any dead stones (and in the second one, Gabby should have won, had she passed on move 34 and marked the 4 stones at B8 dead).
I think one or more referees would be a good thing for Go here, given the scoring issues that some games end up having, like the two Marfitalu listed.
Onderwerp: Re: Can somebody help the Go to stay alive on BrainKing ?
hexkid: How would it be right if opponent makes wrong the dead stones and you would have to make a move? It might be that you would lose because of that.
Onderwerp: Re: Can somebody help the Go to stay alive on BrainKing ?
Salkkuman: The player who (wrongly) marked dead stones is the one who has pass disabled, not the other way around. Think of it as player 1: I say these stones are dead player 2: I don't agree, prove it. player 1: ok, I play here (and lose 1 point) player 2: Ah! you're right (but you're now losing by 0.5 points) ... pass player 1: pass player 2: mark dead stones correctly player 1: decline player 2: (Rats! she didn't fall for it) ... resign
Onderwerp: Re: Can somebody help the Go to stay alive on BrainKing ?
hexkid: This is the way I see it:
player 1: I say these stones are dead player 2: I'm not going to accept, so I can reduce your point count by one! player 1: OK, I'll play here player 2: pass player 1: pass player 2: Dead! player 1: HAHA! I'm going to reject this, so you lose a point too! ...ad nauseum...
Onderwerp: Re: Can somebody help the Go to stay alive on BrainKing ?
jurek: One of the games posted by Marfitalu could proceed to this position. Black has just (wrongly) marked all White stones dead and will have to play a stone on her next turn ...
Even if Black insist on playing on, at some point in time White advantage due to captured stones will be big enough to accept the wrongly marked dead stones :)
Onderwerp: Re: Can somebody help the Go to stay alive on BrainKing ?
hexkid: What if, for example, there was a board position that was entirely filled, except for a seki position? The person rejecting the score count can force the other player to play, thereby forcing the first player to lose more points than by not playing.
Onderwerp: Re: Can somebody help the Go to stay alive on BrainKing ?
Marfitalu: This problem could be solved very easily by following the rule used by the AGA: If both players pass twice in a row, the game ends immediately and all stones on the board are counted as alive.
This rule should be very easy to implement, and would completely avoid situations like this.
Onderwerp: Re: Can somebody help the Go to stay alive on BrainKing ?
Marfitalu: In cases like this one, the player who claims a win (or draw) should report such a game to Fencer and he'll call it a win (or draw). That's how it works on BrainKing.
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