Artful Dodger: Am I still you, or have "they" given up on that?

Was abducted.. again! the only thing that's changed is that the aliens no longer probe their abducties. Now they sit you down at a small table and make you answer multiple choice questions. They insist you pick an answer, but sometimes none of the answers are right. that was torture. I'd rather be probed! Well, no. Actually, I wouldn't.

V said on the previous page: "What gets me is this crazy Christian notion that denies the bilogical mechanics of humans."

He's right, you know. That is a pretty crazy notion.

I like this site. It helps me to unwind.

Iamon lyme: No, you're still me. It was nice to see you back which is why I stopped by to say hello. As you can see, my games are down to 8 and I've played here a lot less. Coincidentally, you showed up shortly after my regular attendance here declined. The theorists here will use their logic skill and make their usual conclusion. BTW, I'm not even sure I know what he means by biological mechanics. I know something of car mechanics though. ;/

Artful Dodger: I was hoping that hadn't changed. I enjoyed being you before I left to be me for awhile, but it's not easy being me so it's nice to be back where anything I say can be blamed on YOU!

Iamon lyme:

Artful Dodger: "As you can see, my games are down to 8 and I've played here a lot less. Coincidentally, you showed up shortly after my regular attendance here declined. The theorists here will use their logic skill and make their usual conclusion."

I assumed there were maybe two or three people here giving you a hard time over this. Are there more than that? Other than getting a few strange pms last year, I haven't heard about this except from you. Are you hearing about it at other boards, or in private messages?

"BTW, I'm not even sure I know what he means by biological mechanics."

I don't know either, but it is laugh worthy. I think maybe he lost track of his straw men, and what they are supposed to represent. His 'crazy notions' of what Christians believe is fun to watch. If what he meant by biological mechanics is what I think he meant, then... naw, I'll just wait for him to explain it. He said it, he can explain it.. maybe.

Iamon lyme: There are several people who have given me a hard time over it but basically it's driven by one person. Apparently she's not here on BK any longer but likely she's still behind the scenes. It is funny as the jokes on them. Anyone who has seen my posts over the years know that my knowledge on science has a low threshold. I can't even follow your posts on science. YOu'd think that would be enough of a clue.

Artful Dodger: Personally speaking,I think you give as good as you get , no reason to play the victim

The Col: That's not playing the victim. It's answering a question. You do know the difference, right?

The Col: BTW, one small correction. I don't give as good as I get: I give better.

The Col: Me thinks the protestation is a bit much and over 'played'.

Artful Dodger:

"Anyone who has seen my posts over the years know that my knowledge on science has a low threshold. I can't even follow your posts on science. YOu'd think that would be enough of a clue."

It could be clue, but that assumes they know how to go about looking for clues. But it's not really a clue, because you apparently have the brainpower to understand anything I might understand. If I seem to know more about science it's because I probably have more of an interest in it. The past me 'worshiped' science, which means I thought it was the most important thing anyone could be interested in.

The real difference between us is what floats our particular boats.

The people claiming I'm you posing as me are doing this because you and I are obviously friends, and any friend of yours is automatically an enemy of theirs. In their minds I don't even think it matters if we are the same person or not, they won't let it go for no other reason than to give you a hard time.

Anyway, here's an example of what I mean about science. You've probably heard about the possibility of extra dimensions. String theory needs extra dimensions in order for the theory to maintain its internal consistency, but that's another story.

So anyway, whether or not there are extra physical dimensions beyond the three we know about (because we can see and feel them), do you think it is possible for any kind of two dimensional reality to exist?

by the way, Uber and V are more than welcome to answer and give their reasons.

Iamon lyme: hmmmm, I'm not sure about two dimensional realities existing but I do believe there is another dimension which, at the moment, we can't access.

Artful Dodger: That other dimension we can't access, at the moment, is something I'm sure isn't factored into String theory. I don't really care if it is or not... I don't store my personal beliefs on the same shelf with the toys I play with.

I don't know if anyone else is going to weigh in on this, so instead of waiting for something that may not happen, I'll just go ahead and tell you what my answer is.

A three dimensional object has length, width, and depth. A two dimensional object would only have length and width, which means it has zero depth. Without that third dimensional depth, a two dimensional object could only exist as a plane bordered by a line made up of imaginary points. With no depth at all, the two dimensional 'object' cannot exist as an object, because the line made up of imaginary points doesn't actually exist. It is imaginary.

Here's the bit you might like, because it's something I didn't know until you told me about it a few years back. You told me about irreducible complexity. The principle of irreducible complexity shows that physical reality is dependant on all three dimensions existing at the same time, otherwise no physical reality can exist. There may only be three, but it can't be reduced from that.

Iamon lyme: Yeah, it's funny how atheists call science whatever doesn't challenge their materialistic view of the world. Irreducible Complexity is a huge challenge for scientists so many of them explain it away with weak arguments or they discount it all together with false claims against creationism. And yet these same scientists would wet themselves if SETI received even one intelligent signal from space. ☮☆☼•*¨*•. ¸¸•*¨☼☮☆☼•*¨*•. ¸¸•*¨☼

Artful Dodger: Why are God believers so consumed with atheism?

The Col:

" Why are God believers so consumed with atheism? "

Sometimes I wonder the same about atheism believers. If it weren't for us, there would be no atheists.

Iamon lyme: re Sometimes I wonder the same about atheism believers. If it weren't for us, there would be no atheists."

That's like saying.I wouldn't love Chinese food if it didn't exist.........I'm not into modern art, so it does not occupy my thoughts, it's not in my solar system, dig?

The Col: What? The king of KFC admits to loving Chinese food? Scandalous!

Does Mrs KFC know about this?

Iamon lyme: shhhhhhh

The Col: Darwin.. The communist threat.. though more likely it's like the ex smoker... You were an atheist and now you feel the need to make up to God with your born again passion!!

.. But why would God care?

God believers have been proven wrong on the likes of the relation of the Earth with the rest of creation. If they were to be right.. I'm sure a big sign could have been made.. or a plaque!!

The Col: we're not

The Col: Real atheists are people who've never been convinced there's a God. Not people who aggressively fight against the concept of God. Those are simply anti-theists.

Artful Dodger: I think they're called Agnostics, but I could be wrong

The Col: I actually don't fully know the difference either. But and agnostic is one who admits that he doesn't really know (perhaps due to lack of evidence or other factors). And anti-theist is somewhat of a activist on proving (through arguments) the non-existence of God (whom they don't believe exists). But they are active against the idea of God. An atheist seems to me one what believes they know God doesn't exist. They reject all arguments given for the existence of God as insufficient.

The only atheist I ever appreciated and like to hear his views is Hitchens. At least in the interviews I saw, he was always eloquent, respectful, and knew his stuff.

Artful Dodger: Hitchens , I could listen to him all night, huge loss

The Col: Huge loss. I didn't agree with his ideas about God but he gave clear and compelling answers when explaining his objections. Listening to him was a good way to get a glimpse at what were good arguments for the atheist/agnostic point of view. He always made me think.

JungleBurger: Did you not get the memo? Art is supposed to BE me. Or do you not believe that? :)

Iamon lyme: What has that got to with anything?

JungleBurger: You don't remember? Your post was deleted, so it only looks like I'm responding to nothing.

Iamon lyme: I post in a lot of forums on the net, I guess it wasn't memorable enough. :)

JungleBurger: If Art is driving his cab right now, I don't want him to reply. I want him to keep his eyes on the road. I don't want him getting us BOTH killed. :p