rod03801: One last off-topic post. If I could (use PayPal) don't you think I would? I even went so far as to talk to them on the phone for 20 min. The end result is that everything was fine except for one thing. I needed to confirm by e-mail my password etc and they have a hyper-link I had to use which webtv doesn't recognize. The really strange part is when I renewed my GoldToken membership with my credit card THEY automatically rolled it over and it was billed through my credit card to my non-existant PayPal account. And I have not been smoking. lol