alanback: I know but they are always winnig whatever we do. And they do in any game ...not only with dice but even in BB games. They never miss a boat ...I agree that in some games it's all about skills (like chess, mancale, reversi ....) but I'm sick and tired about some players who always (day after day, year after year) win any stupid "luck" game as well ... that's not normal ....they have to buy me a lottery ticket