Iamon lyme: It's pretty silly that the climate has become a political thing.I'll bet if a Republican rang the alarm on global warming it would considered gospel

The Col: "I'll bet if a Republican rang the alarm on global warming it would considered gospel"

Nope. It would recieve the same attention Democrats give to "birthers".

But you are right about it being a political game. Too bad we will never know what the reaction would be, because that is something I would bet on... easy money.

Iamon lyme:" Nope. It would recieve the same attention Democrats give to "birthers".

But you are right about it being a political game. Too bad we will never know what the reaction would be, because that is something I would bet on... easy money."

I prefer to frame it as "I'll bet" I guess you know the future
My comment of it being considered "gospel" was from the Republican perspective, not Democratic

The Col: "My comment of it being considered "gospel" was from the Republican perspective, not Democratic"

Yes, and I understood what you meant by "gospel". Nevertheless, I doubt either side would take the issue seriously even if it was promoted by a few Republicans.

It has only become a political issue because some politicians have made it one. It wasn't much of a scientific issue until it was mingled with politics

The only question I want to ask about this is, when did it become a standard practice of science that politics is able to confirm or disprove anything?

Iamon lyme: The only question I want to ask about this is, when did it become a standard practice of science that politics is able to confirm or disprove anything?

Excellent question,because if the Democrats weren't so terrible messeging, and the Republicans weren't so good, the overwhelming scientific belief in climate change wouldn't even be an argument.

The Col: "...if the Democrats weren't so terrible messeging, and the Republicans weren't so good, the overwhelming scientific belief in climate change wouldn't even be an argument."


The Democrats have done a good enough job at getting their "message" across. Good enough to be able to profit from it.

If anything is an established fact, it's that the world goes through periods of global warming and global cooling. No one argues with that. But creating alarm over something that naturally happens, in order to gain some political or financial advantage, is something the Democrats have learned how to use.

If some slick shyster were able to create alarm over the changing seasons, and then push for increasing taxes to solve the problem, would you see anything wrong with that? That may sound like a silly example, and no one with a grain of sense would fall for it, but let's face it... a con man doesn't have to convince everyone. He only needs to convince enough people in order to get what he wants.

Whatever influence mans activities have had on the entire global environment is nothing compared to what nature herself has dished out. Polar bears survived the occasional period of global warming, and the spotted owl can survive without old growth forests. Is there really anything so amazing about that?

What is amazing is the distress people are willing to put themselves and others through just to gain some small transitory advantage over their fellow earthlings...