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I would think that the Scrabbles in different language should better be defined as different games, with different rating lists.
Of course playing only in English is feasible, but not very fair. My French vocabulary should be around 50000 words, while my English one is probably around 2000 words. I can probably still have some fun while playing in English, but considerably less. And if I play both in English and in French for the same rating list, I will screw the ratings.
By the way, competition French Scrabble is almost never played by the original rules, but almost always in the duplicated form : both players use the same letters on the same grid, and are aiming for the all-best score for the current turn, without any strategical consideration. Then either the best word of the two is placed on the grid, either the all-best word according to the computer. This variant is supposed to get rid of the big luck factor that "family Scrabble" (the name of the original game) has.
I suppose that duplicate Scrabble would be feasible on Brainking, using the no-computer rule for choosing the word to place, and having players search for their word in turn, without seeing the choice of the opponent.
nabla: personally I am not a huge fan of Scrabble online because of my experiecne with it over at iyt. I played a couple of times over there and I found that many players were using a dictionary to help them (granted iyt did not heavily discourage this). for me, this takes all the fun out of the game. I'm not saying that this will happen at BK but I think that it is a consideration that must be taken into account.
emmett: I hope we leave scrabble out of this site.
I don't understand this sentiment. It's one thing to not like to play Scrabble for whatever reason (for instance, because you don't like the game, because you only speak Tiki-tiki and you can't play it in Tiki-tiki, because you're afraid your opponent uses a dictionary, whatever). But then you can just decide to not play Scrabble. Noone will force you.
But I don't understand why you'd hope this game will never appear on Brainking.
Have you ever seen Pogo.com? It is littered with games that draw a huge dice-loving American participation. It is also littered with advertisements. Brainking seemed like a strategy-based site two years ago. It offered classic games worth studying and competing in. The more that brainking tries to add, the weaker and less-focused it will become.
It's not? As opposed to, oh, say, Behemoth Chess? Or Maharajah Chess? Or Dice Poker? Or Ludo? IMO, there's more strategy in Scrabble than in many of the games currently being offered on Brainking.
But even if some game wasn't a strategy game, so what? If you only want to play strategy games, and you think certain games aren't, then don't play them.
As for pogo.com, I haven't seen it. But I can't make heads nor tails from your argument. Even if there would be a connection between dice-loving Americans and advertisements (which I doubt there is), I'd like to stress out that the game of Scrabble doesn't involve dice. Unlike the game you have played most on Brainking, Dice Chess.
AbigailII: Scrabble is all about strategy... which letters should I keep? Should i play the 50 point play and leave myself with crappy letters, or the 30 point play that gives me a better chance at the 7 letter word next time. Should I leave that triple word open because i get a good score doing it? etc etc
gambler104: Sadly there is no way to guarantee people not using a dictionary, there are so many on line even without the ones on Scrabble sites. Its easier to just leave it that anyone can use it, because after years of running Tournaments at BugCafe someone always will. If they want to win that badly, let them Sad, but true
MadMonkey: Scrabble is *much* more than just knowing which words you can play. At best a dictionary can give you is a list of possible words to play. (Which, assuming the game is implemented in such a way that invalid words are rejected, can be gotten from the system as well, with some patience). A dictionary doesn't give a suggestion what a good move is. Unlike, say, a chess or backgammon program.
AbigailII: I agree, as much as I am against using external help, I don't see any harm in using a dictionary, as long as it is an usual alphabetically ordered dictionary and not an anagram dictionary. Using the latter would take 50% of the skill off the game and should be banned in the same way as computer help is.
Scrabble is probably not in the top 100 of my wish list, I would play some if it was here though. I have not been too enthousiastic about the latest games added on Brainking. More and more games with a heavy luck factor, and some of the more interesting ones (Mancala, Recycle Chess) implemented with rules making them less interesting. In comparison, Scrabble would be a good addition.
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