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14. Fevereiro 2009, 08:42:24

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Assunto: Re: Quotes from an Old Book (with comments)

The Usurper:You're over generalizing and misquoting. But here goes:

Expecting the "poor" (whatever that really means for it is different from person to person) to earn their bread is NOT despising them. But it may be that their laziness is despised.

*[Doesn’t
O’Reilly mock the poor by generalizing that they are lazy &
irresponsible, and by equating them primarily with those who “drink gin
all day,” “smoke reefers 24/7,” “dropped out of school,” and are “too
lazy to hold a job”? Does not Glenn Beck mock the poor by misquoting
Benjamin Franklin to say, “We should make the poor uncomfortable and
kick them out of poverty”?]

No and
No (and one source I read puts that quote in Franklin's autobiography)

Having pity on the poor doesn't equate with paying their way. People who are stuggling should be helped. But only if they help themselves in the process. Otherwise let them live on the streets.

*[This
is gonna be a tough experience for Rush Limbaugh and like-minded
individuals, i.e., the hard right Republicans, the Hannitys, the
O’Reillys, etc.; but the filthy democrats who serve the same masters
are in the same boat.]

Who need God when they have the Usurper to judge them?

O'Reilly probably gives away more money percentage wise than you'll ever give. He's always giving away money. It's on his website if you took the time to really look.

*[There’s
our credit system. Do you think Solomon is applauding this state of
affairs, and not rather pronouncing judgment upon it? It seems that he
is finding fault with the good ‘ole American way.]

Um, hate to break this to you but Solomon is dead.

*[I
take it Solomon believes that some people are robbed simply because
they are poor and can’t defend themselves. Not much has changed.]

Yeah, according to you then it is better to rob me and take my money and give it to my lazy neighbor.

Proverbs 28:3 A poor man that oppresseth the poor is like a sweeping rain which leaveth no food.

*[This is like being a poor Republican…there’s a real anomaly here.]

You don't know what you are talking about. YOu can't name one socialist country where everyone prospers. Only in a capitalistic system can the average man "live the dream."

*[You who love the American economic system, seem to me to despise the One Who inspired Solomon to write these words.]

Cheap shot and will be ignored.

*[Those
who argue that opportunity abounds, that only the lazy don’t succeed,
seem to me to “regard…not to know” the cause of the poor.]

You don't know either. And you haven't even defined what you consider "the poor"

Proverbs 31:20 She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy.

*[This is what the Virtuous Woman does.]

um yeah Greg. So give away your own money and leave the money of others alone. You want to steal the money of others and give it to the poor.

Acts
2:44 -45 And all that believed were together, and had all things
common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all
men, as every man had need.

That's right, they didn't expect a hand out from the government. So this verse proves your position is extremely weak.

*[The early Christians don’t look
like Capitalists to me. More like Socialists, if I may say so. They
worked hard, then spread the wealth.]

No. They shared in their communal living. You promote the government taking money from hard working people and spreading it around. That is theft.

*[Can you
imagine what the Repubs would say about these people today?
Centralization & distribution of wealth so that all may benefit as
needed…that is Socialism!]

Socialism has always failed as a government system. And you are mistreating all these texts.

You have butchered the biblical texts.

You have misapplied their meaning to fit your bias.

You have misrepresented the views of others (built up strawmen and ripped them down).

Your arguments are meaningless with non-Christians.