nodnarbo: I thought about chips -> brains, but don't like the idea. You really get into a grey area, the inflation of chips would be a serious problem, and collusion would become a serious problem. Better forget that idea imo.

And again, I don't see the problem with people reloading more than once a day. This is Poker for fun, not for money. What do people earn from dumping away chips and reloading frequently? Only playing experience, nothing more. You will never be able to reload when you have more than the starting chips, I really don't see the point in excluding players for a day when they lost a couple of chips.

Bwild: pokerstars and fulltilt allow 3 per hour.... I think that is very reasonable.

While this is very reasonable for Full Tilt and Stars, with their fast pace tables, I think it'd be OK to have a tougher limit here at BrainKing, but not less than once per hour. And maybe 90 minutes for pawns or something.

coan.net: yep sound on.....damn Ive been waiting for it and now cant use it


well, well, well, I just went in and turned off the sound and I cant even sit down....it won't let me

I can't play at all :(

Bernice: have you refreshed the page after turning it off?

Gordon Shumway: yes everything has been refreshed :(

but will go try again "(

I was able to get in and onto the tables that time....no freeze (but then I didn't play) I was just happy enough to get onto the ptable

There is a bug in the no limit games.... most people dont play them, but sometimes if you bet all in, you win double the amount of your bet, even if the person you went against doesnt have the same amount of money as you do.


another one, if the board has an ace high flush, or even a 4 card flush, the person with the highest card of that suit in their hand should win, but right now it has them all at a tie for the pot. That is wrong.

Czuch: 1) It is designed to give the winner only a multiple of his own bet (multiplied by the number of remaining players) and the rest is moved to the side pot. If you think that it didn't work in some situation, please post the table URL and the round number.
2) This is a known bug, caused by my wrong understanding of this rule. It is going to be fixed soon.

Czuch: Ah, I've found it (fortunately Pedro Martínez knows how to make a quality bug report, you should follow his example next time).
Under investigation.

Summertop: I bet there aren't even a million chips in play yet.

Brainking claims to have 78992 players at the moment of this writing. That means close to 80 million chips where available the first day Poker was available. Granted, the overwhelming majority of those players never actually play here, so the total number of chips "in play" is less. But it only takes a 1000 players to have a million chips.

AbigailII: Im so pleased you have made that calculation :)

it now bears credibilty to my "it is only play money" and you cant "flood the market"

hahahahah........thanks so much

Fencer: Thanks.....

Czuch: The fix has been just confirmed by Pedro and me, no limit heads up.

Fencer: So the word is you will reset all people to 1000 chips? When? Makes little sense to play until then...

AbigailII: Since it is possible to lose all your chips and then reload them once a day, its likely many more chips than that will be in play....

Czuch: The sense is to test, not to win all possible chips. But nobody is forced to participate, of course.

Fencer: how long will we be testing before the chips count is reset?

...and the goal in poker is to always win all the chips, but its a lot of time to spend doing it, when it will all be wiped out

Czuch: Your goal is to help BrainKing to locate and fix remaining bugs. After the test period is done, you can change the priorities.
The chips reset will be properly announced.

Fencer: ok, thanks! I dont think any more bugs exist though....

BTW, for my help beta testing, do I get some free cash when you take it to the real cash game level?

Czuch: LMAO:)))))

Czuch: Good question. Would people be interested in real cash games here?

Fencer: I bet they would. :)

Fencer: The only way i got cash is by working for it.Got any job's that pay cash;)))

Fencer: Would people be interested in real cash games here?

No doubt some people would. I will not be any of them. And even if I were to play poker for cash in real life, I wouldn't do so on a website. There's audit that garantees me everything works as it should work.

Fencer:real cash would be cool...but keep in mind you would have to expand your means of accepting money...ie usd
it would also be a form of income for brainking...as the house should keep a small percentage of the pots, or tournament buy-ins.

Of course. The only type of cash games would be similar to tournaments with Brains entry fee. Nothing else. We are not a gambling site.

Fencer: It doesnt have to be here... it could be a seperate site, never too many poker sites....

I just noticed that after the hand, it says the winners and how much they won, but not the hand they won with, and before it did?

can we get an option to show our hand or muck them when we win but everyone else folded? sometimes you like to show your bluff to everyone, or that you had a really good hand.

Fencer: all poker gambling sites have a sister site that is for play money only..... you need to have one that is allowed to advertise!

AbigailII: The audit is that if there are any problems or cheats, nobody will play at your site.... poker sites are likely some of the best managed sites for bugs and hacking that there are!

It would be nice to have an upper chip start limit as well as a minimum one on some tables, keeps people with huge stacks from coming in and taking over a game.

(21:38:17) puupia calls 10.
(21:38:17) puupia runs out of time (30 seconds).
(21:38:17) puupia folds.

I managed to call on the last second and then time out. Lost the 10 chips to pot.

Czuch: Agreed. Maximum buy-in shold be installed, people with huge stacks can just bully around at lower stakes tables now. Also there should be games with bigger blinds for the highrollers.

I think it would be more convenient, after entering a raise, to be able to use our "enter" button to submit it, as well as the "raise button in the game..... just like when we type a message, simply using our enter button works there very well.

Czuch: I just noticed that after the hand, it says the winners and how much they won, but not the hand they won with, and before it did?


Well, it seems to be work ing properly right now again.... I know when everyone else folds it will not show what hand won.... but there is probably some sort of bug.... I think it was when we both went all in, or maybe three of us did, and it said who won, but didnt show what hand won it, I will keep an eye out for it to happen again though....

Czuch and puupia: You can't "bully" people in a cash game. If you have 1 gazillion chips at the table and your opponent has 100 chips - every hand you play, you play for a maximum of 100 chips.

And there are games with bigger blinds.

Czuch: The audit is that if there are any problems or cheats, nobody will play at your site....

There has been cheating on both Absolute Poker and Ultimate Bet, yet there are still people playing on both sites, and they still make a healthy profit. And even the owners were involved in the scandal.

poker sites are likely some of the best managed sites for bugs and hacking that there are!

True for some sites, like PokerStars, definitely not true for other, more shady, sites.

I would never play for real money anywhere but on one of the big, trusted sites. Brain entry tournaments would be fun though.

Gordon Shumway: Oh, and I didn't mean to imply that Fencer would even consider cheating, LOL, if I made it sound like that.

Gordon Shumway: You can't "bully" people in a cash game.


Well, if I have a gazillion chips to your 100, I can put you all in pre flop every hand, with very little risk to my stack.... sure you can fold, but even if you have pocket aces, i will get lucky and beat you, I guarantee that I can wipe you out or at least make it so you dont want to play anymore....

Gordon Shumway: Of course the size of your stack compared to others is very important when considering betting. If 1000 chips is all you have you have it is very hard playing against someone witk 100k chips. Players with 100k chips can force you to go all in all the time, and someone who has lot less does not really want to call with all of their chips, unless they have a very good hand. And with 1000 chips its nearly impossible to bet 100k stack player out of the game if they have any kind of a hand. This is why maximum buy-ins should be in use.

To keep the game balanced everyone at the table should have similar amount of chips available! All the real poker sites have minumum and maximum buy-in limit in ring-games.

And no there is no games with high enough blinds. 100/200 are the highest and thats nothing for the 100k stacks allready around.

puupia: It would be like black jack without table upper limits... all you have to do is double your bet every hand after you lose, and eventually you will win all your money back....

If someone makes you consider putting all your chips in on every play, you are either going to lose all your money or you are going to fold a lot of good hands... every once in awhile you will get hot, and double up a few times, then leave the table with your winnings, but you also have to remember that there is likely other people at the table as well, making it even harder to win.

Czuch: If someone makes you consider putting all your chips in on every play, you are either going to lose all your money or you are going to fold a lot of good hands

Exactly. And thats not very interesting poker.

And a good way to prevent this happening is not allowing very different sized stacks in a table.

And if we can agree that it is more fun to play with players who have similar amount of chips, we come back to my favourite subject: flooding the market :)

If money just keeps coming into the system and no money gets out, the difference between rich and poor will get bigger. However the amount of players is limited, so there will be less players you could have a nice game with. Poker here has been online for only few days(?) and the highest stacks already are in the 100k range. Imagine how many chips the best players will have for example after a year of playing?

puupia: If there were no bugs in the system, the overall chipleader would have approx. 25000 chips, a few others would be above ten thousand and most players would not exceed five thousand. That's not what I call flooded market.

Pedro Martínez: It's also only been a week...

puupia: The people with the 100k stacks got that much by using a bug which Fencer has already fixed - so once Fencer takes the games out of testing mode, he is going to reset everyone's chips back to 1000... so hopefully no one will get ahead by using a bug.

Right before the bug was discovered (about a day ago or so), I had just broken 10,000 - being the 2nd highest with Pedro breaking 20,000 being the highest. So up to that point, the 10,000 MIN room with 100/200 was a pretty good high level.

(Side note: Once people do start getting more & more chips, bigger tables can be created - just no need right now while Fencer is still testing.)

******* PLUS - I would also agree to having a "max" amount you can bring to the table. Not a big deal on the limit tables, but on the no limit tables - Maybe something like can bring up to twice as much (so min 250 / max 500 - min 500/max 1000 - min 1000/max 2000)

puupia: Players with 100k chips can force you to go all in all the time

Actually, they cannot not. They can do that 6 times, the 7th you will have 63.000 chips against their 38.000 chips (assuming you win - if you lose, there won't be a 7th time). While it's certainly an advantage to have more chips (although the advantage is less with limited bets), it's not a situation they can maintain for ever.

Pedro Martínez: Yes its not bad yet, but if we keep adding money to the system infinitely like we do now, the highest stacks will also get bigger infinitely.

Czuch: The audit is that if there are any problems or cheats, nobody will play at your site.... poker sites are likely some of the best managed sites for bugs and hacking that there are!

Considering people are complaining that there are players here to use multiple nicks to inflate their ratings, I'm won't bet my money they won't use multiple nicks to play poker.

Note also that my main worry isn't bugs and hacking. How would I know of a poker site, that the software isn't rigged against me? How what I know which laws apply to a poker website, and how (if at all) those laws are enforced?