nodnarbo: yes, thats all good, and thats how it should be

I think you might find that people enjoy a tournament format, I would suggest that before pot limit games, any plans in that direction fencer?

Czuch: Yes. But the plans must be synchronized with other plans, it is not just about tournaments.

Very well, the "5 top cards" rule is enforced now, regarding flushes and kickers.

hard to work out the bugs with not much action..... more often than not I see nobody playing, and even then its one table with a few low limit people, even Mr coan.net seems to be laying low these days?

Czuch: Ive been in and out over the last couple days...and no one playing:(....surely the "newness hasnt worn off already........but then you don't help either Czuch........you get on a no limit table and bet the little fella out of existance....we dont get a chance to play on a no limit table when you are around....

Bernice: I think some people are waiting for fencer to reset the chip count and start everyone over again.... but he wants to do it after its bug proof, but it wont be bug proof if nobody plays?

Im not sure what I can do, I sometimes try to play like I dont have as much money, but that isnt how poker is played, if you have it you are supposed to use it to your advantage, even if it means stealing blinds all day long.

I think a tournament structure could be utilized, then we would all have the same amount of starting chips, and no huge reserves to fall back on.


Maybe, since fencer is going to reset everyone anyway, maybe he could simply give some people a big stack of chips so we could play a few higher no limit games and such.... I want to play, but like you said, I have too much money and its no fun for me to just play to lose on purpose either

Czuch: I've been busy myself... plus now need to try to catch up on my "regular" games before I jump back in a poker table.

But actually - I'm not really into the "live" game - so even after it is out of "test" mode, I won't play too much - I personally come to the turn-based game sites to play turn-based games, which is usually something I do while watching TV or watching a Movie - sometimes I do other website development or other work while playing games in between.... and playing "live" poker is just hard for me to do while trying to do other stuff.

So in short - I may jump in occasionally, but don't look at me to be a regular in the live poker tables.

I had to try this poker game and it was fun but the 45sec "thinking time" is too long. 15 or at the most 30 sec is more than enough. Tables for only 5 players would be a good idea too. It would be nice if the graphics could be improved. Not only because of "the look" but people with eyesight problems will have problems playing for a longer time.

Since we are only given a 500 chip rebuy, couldnt we have some tables with less than 500 minimum buy in please?

Also, what happened to the idea of some upper buy in limits as well?

I have seen now that there are some upper limits when you sign on to a table, but they should be mentioned as part of the table description please?

Czuch: I'm not 100% sure, but I think the max buy is is double the minimum buy-in. (So if the minimum is 500, 1000 is the max you can bring to the table). Again, not 100% sure that is the same on all the tables or not.

coan.net: okay... now check game 22 on no limit 8 person table... i was next after big blind, but it skipped me and went around and I made my call after the big blind checked, this is a bug that needs to be looked at please.

Czuch: You mean like this:

I made the screen print and told Fencer about it - a bug that happens when someone is removed from the table I think. It then seems to do the bidding out of order - everyone still got a chance to bid, but of course not in the correct order, which the order & where you sit at a table is important part of the game.

Thing is about only 500 minimum table limits, lets say I get a new stack, I play a hand and lose my blind, say 20 bucks, then I have a computer problem or something, or I just have to go to the head.... now I have 480 chips but cant get into any games?

Czuch: LMAO!!! hahahah, I just sat out a hand to come here and make the last post, and I wasnt paying attention, now I have just under 500 chips and cant get back on the table!!!! and 12 hours to get more chips!

We either need lower buy in tables or at least a way to sit out a hand or two without giving up our seats, or even better BOTH!

yeah, this is a real issue..... you have to be able to sit out some hands without losing your seat..... and we have to have tables where the buy in is much lower than the maximum chips we get... It wont really be an issue once our stacks get built up, but I just had over 2000 chips, and lost 1500 on a bad beat, and now I have 480 chips (or whatever under 500) and now I cant play for another 12 hours?

So.... the sit out next hand option should deal you out but leave you at the table, or you can have it so that you do get cards and take blinds, if you want to, and then auto check fold them....

Then an option to leave the table as well

Czuch: I agree, I think it would also be nice to be able to leave the table in the middle of the hand after folding, and not wait until the hand is completely finished

nodnarbo: The way it is now, you can just check the sit out next hand and then open a new tab or whatever and move on.... but instead of it being sit out next hand it should say leave table...

Czuch:  I'm OK with the sit out one hand but remain on the table... but it shouldn't be applicable when you are on the big stack or the little stack...  It would get abused...

blinds come before the deal...so it really doesnt matter.

Bwild: Sometimes though it is nice to sit behind everyone where you have the last option to call or raise - and if you your put chips in out of order and decide to raise higher, those who might have called before might not now because they don't want to go higher... but if the order was correct, they would have called (so some money was already in), and then also be more willing to raise along with it to put even more money into the pot for you to win. If the order gets out of order - then that strategy will not work anymore.

Agree - not a very big deal, but enough of a deal that would be nice to get fixed.

coan.net:actually...I was referring to sitting out before your blind.

Bwild: Oh, sorry.

The only issue I see is that some people apparently like to sit up when it is their turn to have a small/big blind, and then sit back down when/where they don't have the small/big blind..... well at least someone complained about that before. Would something like that cause issues like this?

coan.net:not everyone fully understands the mechanics of the game imo..if you sit out before your next to put up the blind...big or small....you dont get dealt.   maybe you sat out on pocket aces...or 7-3...but no one will ever know..because you sat out.

Bwild: But they put no money in the pot - that is some people are so "cheap" that if they have their choice, they will try to make it so they can always look at their cards to decide if they want to bet or not - and just try to never make a small or big blind. (At least that is how I understand the complaint as someone wrote awhile before). (And sounded like it was issues at other "poker" sites maybe???)

coan.net:I play on other sites and have never noticed it...or maybe I just didnt care...either way..their sitting out just makes my aces that much better

Bwild: .... except you don't get their money when you win! (Don't get me wrong - I agree that it is stupid to sit out just so you don't have to place an automatic bid before you see your cards) - but the point was brought up before in this Discussion Board - which is why i was bringing it back up, since being able to sit out a hand or two and still stay at the table would seem to fall right into those who play that way hands.

coan.net: The typical way of avoiding people "sitting out" when it's their turn to be a blind is to require people to pay a big (or small) blind when joining a game in progress. Either by having them wait until they the big blind rotate to their seat, or by having them pay a big blind for the first hand they play after joining.

Alternatively, one could get rid of the blinds all together and require everyone to play an ante. But it's common for Texas Hold Em to have blinds instead of antes.

AbigailII:not only are blinds common...but a part of the rules. but I agree on the buy-in. normally its equal to the first bet amount. this prevents folks from sitting in 4 maybe 5 hands...then after not receiving a suitable pocket...just sit out when its their turn to post a blind, only to sit back in after the blinds have passed them.

any news on if and when we may have these..also, any word on fellowship tables?

No matter what you do, someone will find a way to try to cheat the system...

1. Stand up...simply means you become an "observer" for that table. Someone else may/might take your seat. and you might have to sit somewhere else to get back in the action. Maybe the table even fills up and you can't sit down.

2. Abusive attitude. With ANY site, yes even BrainKing, people can become victims of abusive. Usually verbal (foul language, taunting, etc.). Or even manipulating the rules so they never have to pay a blind or get some other advantage.

At some point, as the tables grow, I would hope the poker tables get a group of "Moderators", just like the other forums. Those encountering abusive players would need a way to "report" the abuse.

Summertop:I think a per person chat block would be great....as it is..if someone says something that I find bothersome..I just leave....got plenty of other things to do.
a group of moderators...different time zones...isnt such a bad thing though. fencer sleeps tooo much!! lol

The way to fix anyone who wants to sit out during S/B Blind, then sit back in, is to cause ANYONE who is sitting at the table to either post the blind once, or wait until the Big Blind comes up. That way they have to pay to play, no matter what. It's what they do in the larger, real money sites.

One thing I would like to see are tables where the buy-in can be 100 times the blinds added together. It is the way they allow it in most No-Limit Hold 'em Cash games, and allows for more strategic play, as you can now sit back and wait for good chances to double up. 10-20 is outside the range by letting you have 1000 chips to start, while the 100-200 tables are going to be slugfests, as any contested pot will be almost an all-in!!!! (For instance, when the blinds are 100-200, and there are 3 callers, the pot is now 900, and you are on the button. You have A A. What can you bet so that most people will fold their hands, hopefully leaving you heads up against one player? At least 2000 chips! Then you are most likely all-in post-flop if you have a hand. Not very strategic, no room for good moves.)

-Zak

P.S.

Of course, if you have A A, who needs good moves with a hand like that???

In real life poker, if you stand up or leave before your blind, and then sit back down, either in a different seat or back at the same one, you have an option to either post the blinds and be dealt in or to wait until the blinds hit you again, and then post them and be dealt in, you cant get out of paying blinds just by getting up from a table.

Same goes for new players joining a table, if they want, they can post blinds and get dealt in straight away, or they can just wait for the normal action to get to them.

Tournament play is a bit different.... you never really leave a table until you have no money left, so if you are there or not there, you post the blinds in turn, and you are always dealt cards, and you are check folded from there... so if it comes your play with no raises in front of you, you automatically check, and if there have been a raise, you are automatically folded.


(sorry, i was writing this when bobwhoosta was posting his)

Summertop: I know most places have a way to ignore anyone they want to in the chat, or to turn it off all together....

Another random thought.... in fellowship poker, would it be best to use separate money from our public money stacks?

Separate systems for each fellowship?

Czuch: I think we should use the same stack, but brings up another idea - keep stats for each fellowship for how much money won/lost in each fellowship.

Czuch: Separated chips.

coan.net: So you could win money in a fellowship game and take it with you to a public table? I guess, either way..... I agree it will be nice to know how you stand against other fellowship members and so forth

Fencer: ok, sounds good to me, thanks

Fencer:well....I guess (since I dont seem to qualify an answer) that fellowship tables are in the works?

Bwild: he said as much the other day when i asked...

I dont mean to keep harping here.... I think it is really important to be able to be dealt out of a few hands without having to leave a table.

Also, if we can get up and change seats without having to miss the next hand to do it would be nice too.

And if you could get me AA when Czuch has KK, that would be great.

bobwhoosta: I would probably , on a good hunch, either fold pre flop or raise and catch trips on the flop!

any no limit takers ready to go right now?