I agree with Czuch...The poker tables really need a "Stand Up" feature. which leaves you as a spectator.

Sitting in a new seat? Easily done by making them post a big blind to sit.

Also...It would be REALLY nice (and make for faster play) if there were buttons to pre-select what you want to do:
Check
Check/Fold
Fold
Call Any Amount

(09:51:06) Labbeda wins the pot with four sevens. The kicker card is nine.
(09:51:06) Labbeda wins 1030 chips (main pot).

Czuch: Yes, that's all well and good, but you're forgetting the turn and river, which will naturally be A, A.

Thank you, I'm here all week.

One thing about the Limit Tables, very soon now they will be unprofitable for players with higher chip stacks. Can we get a table with limits of 50/100, and stacks of 10000-20000?

bobwhoosta: I'm pretty sure that tables will be created as they are needed, right now there is no need for them

This is a shot after I lost a game where he won with a pair of threes, but I had two pairs of 4s and 2s, definite bug problem somewhere.....

Czuch: Considering the shot shows the hole cards of the next round, it's not much proof of your claim.

AbigailII: I am guessing that fencer can look at all the hole cards to all the games even after the fact, and find that it was wrong?

Czuch: The same happened to me twice. . . but I think the problem is this:
if I'm playing poker and there's a move in any other game made by one of my opponents, the poker cards simply don't change from one hand to the next... I keep seeing the same hand, but it's not there anymore... I have two new cards but I can' see it until I refresh the connection.
I hope you can understand my english... sorry

JPS: So, then I was seeing cards from my last hand?

I know on some poker sites, the notation tells what cards I was dealt as well as all the other stuff too... that would help clear this up maybe..

JPS: and in any rate, its still a bug that i was calling 150 chips on a hand i didnt really have....

I just won a hand on a pair of aces and it said i had a straight.....i immediately told the others in the room and then left....it was the first time I played since the re-set of chips....

When having problems with the poker tables, Fencer needs to know what table you are on and the game #.

Czuch: "...i was calling 150 chips on a hand i didnt really have...."

I called more than 1000 !! with a flush I really didn't have... and lost to a pair !!
Thanks god it was on the last day before the reset.
lol

Vikings: Thats what the screen shot does, right?

Czuch: yes

im on a 1000 buy in pot limit table right now.....

JPS:You can keep people guessing but the issue is a good player can always beat the luck of a hand or two or three.LOL

Just noticed that leaving the List of Poker tables page open burns up bandwidth at around 15MB/hr (more than actually playing).

Seems like there is still some sort of an issue with prior hands being shown, but they are not what cards you really have?

Someone mentioned that it might have to do with when someone leaves the table or joins it or something like that? But this time, it was the same three people at the table.

I showed that I had a k q, the same cards from my previous hand, and then it said I won the hand with a full house, jacks and 6s... the 3 jacks were on the board, as was a 6, but i didnt see a 6 in my hand

has the option to "show" or "muck" been entered into the to do list?

oh yeah... I have been meaning to ask.... can we have an option to edit the list of smiley we use when playing poker?

Mike UK:was this visible to the whole table?

Bwild: My guess is not. I think it gets corrupted for one player for some unknown reason. It was preceded by me being booted off the table, apparently for disconnection. This is the second time I have had something like this. The first time I was using Firefox. This time I was using Chrome.

Mike UK:I was at the table when czuch had his issue...I have yet to experience any problems, so I wondered if these flukes are individual and not over all

I've had the same thing happen to me, although I can't remember the exact incident. The Community Cards stayed the same, then the turn card changed, and after that the river card stayed the same is how I think it went.

I checked it down... ;-)

Mike UK: Not sure if it is a site issue,browser issues, user cache issues, or even users ISP cache issue - but a quick suggestion if you happen to notice it happening again, try to refresh the browser to see if it will fix it.

I think this is some sort of communication problem (packet loss?) resulting in
i) booted off the table (in this case)
ii) the 'clear table' command not being executed.
I'm pretty sure this round started for me with 5 cards on the table, almost certainly left over from the previous round. I don't know enough about this sort of programming to know whether it is possible to verify that each command has been carried out before continuing but that is what seems to be required.

i dont know if this has been adressed but in headsup-play the button gets to post the small blind and act first preflop.
and you should add some 5/10 no limit tables.. 100BBs is the standart buyin in online poker..

fencer, seems you have some pot limit issues? I just started trying them today... for example, there was 80 in the pot and i tried to bet 80 and it forced my bet to 20? I did this a couple of times too, and on another table earlier bobwhoosta complained about the same thing happening to him too

yeah, just tried it again, no matter what I bet it always came up 20

other people claimed the same problems too

hey fenser, not much comment from you at all lately? It would be helpful to get some input on the bugs/problems and suggestions, just to know where we stand on some of the issues, thanks!

Czuch: There is nothing to comment yet. My local tests show that pot limit poker is OK and if something wrong happened recently, I hope you can imagine how difficult and complicated it is to reproduce such situations and pinpoint possible problem sources.
Furthermore, I am busy with something else at the moment, so you must be patient and wait. As far as I know, the majority of users has no problems with limit and no limit poker here, so I can say that there is no critical issue which would require my immediate attention.

Fencer: No, you are correct, there are no critical problems with the limit and no limits, but the pot limits are not configured correctly, and it has affected everyone, just some people dont realize it and other people dont use the boards or bug reports.

I guess any other features IE more options like advanced play out of turn buttons or standing up without losing your seat, will be a long wait if ever?

Fencer: I hope its tournament play for fellowships

Bwild: That will be a followup.

<a href="Board?bc=58832">Czech/Raise</a>


any ideas why this link doesnt work?

Fencer: I'd say there are two critical issues in no limit poker:

1. Sometimes betting order goes out of whack in the first betting round.
2. You can't raise all-in if you have less than bb chips. Also you'll be kicked out of table for not having enough to play if you don't have atleast as many chips as bb.

With low blinds these are just annoying, but with bigger ones it becomes a real issue. These certainly have to be fixed before tournamet play is introduced. In late stages of tournament blinds will be so big that these bugs could have serious effects on the outcome of the tournament.

puupia: Why should you be allowed to play if you don't have at least BB number of chips?

puupia:I agree...I've won tournaments after being down to 5 chips.....chip and a chair

Fencer:the term "all in" comes to mind

Fencer: "If you have chip and a chair you can win" is one the most famous lines in poker. In 1982 WSOP Jack Strauss actually came back to win the tournament after being down to just one chip.

You're just not supposed to be out of the game before you really are out of chips. Of course there will be sidepots like in any other all in situation when someone does not have enough to pay BB.

Fencer: There are three scenarios Puupia is reffering too.

Case 1: Unable to go All-In mid-hand - In this scenario, if someone is in the middle of the hand he is unable to go all-in if he holds less than the Big Blind in his stack. This prevents players from making that little bit of extra money when they hit their hand after betting has dwindled their stack size. Their bet will mostly be called, so when someone gets a monster hand, they'll be slightly miffed that they can't go all-in.

Case 2: Cash Games - In this scenario, a person sitting at the table who has lost most of their chips still has an all-in move available pre-flop (For instance, in 100/200 blinds a person with 190 chips can sit around for one round waiting for a good hand, then try and triple up). In this instance, the person would be well advised to get out with their remaining chips, as any all-in move holds absolutely no clout and they will most likely lose their chips. BUT, that decision could be left up to them.

Case 2: Tournament Play - When tournaments come into play, this will become a VERY big problem, as someone with less chips than the big blind is by the rules of tournament Hold-'Em STILL a part of the tournament, and their chips are still in play. In the situation where someone is kicked out, we have two breaches of the rules. First, they have been unfairly eliminated, as by the rules they are still in the game (albeit with a very slim chance of winning). Second, their chips are still in play, and if that 1000 in chips (Assuming 1000/2000 blinds, not uncommon at the end of extremely long tournaments) is taken out of the tournament, it becomes unfair not only to the player eliminated, but to those remaining in the tournament, as they are deprived of precious opportunities to improve their stack size with very little risk.

I hope this clarifies things, and as an aside I would like to say that I think your poker implementation is very good, especially for a first attempt on this site not only for a game different than a board game, but also for a live play event. We all understand your efforts, and though it is not often expressed, your work is very much appreciated.

-Zak Smith

bobwhoosta: I am always grateful for a clarification of the rules because I am not aware of all details and special situations. But everything can be done, sooner or later.

Bwild: See my post in your fellowship. It is because you must be in Rich Text Editor. If you use that, you have to use the chain link thing to put a link in a post. If you switch out of rich text editor, doing it the way you did it works fine.

rod03801: that was it..thx

there is another problem with no limit holdem: say the blinds are 10/20 and i raise 60 (to make it 80) my opponent can't raise less than 60 (to make it at least 140). right now you can always raise the bigblind(20 in this example), but this is incorrect

Fencer: me and dp13 decided to play at the 50/100 no limit table... my small blind bet was the last thing we saw, then I got stucked there and nothing else happened. What's the matter? I got out of BB and turn my computer off twice... but I'm still stucked at that table and it doesn't work even when other players join it.
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