nodnarbo: A couple of issues must be resolved first. But I didn't forget about it.

Fencer: glad to hear it

Fencer: Some people will get upset about seeding and how some players get byes to the next round a good thought would be,must have been active in so many days to participate.

Universal Eyes: seeding? byes? have you played in a poker tournament before?

nodnarbo: Do you know how he's going to put people in it?

Universal Eyes: usually in a poker tournament you have 6-10 people at a table, and multiple tables depending on how many people are in the tournament. After people lose all their chips the other people are usually moved around to balance the tables out, and tables are removed as the number of players decreases. there is no seeding, or byes

nodnarbo:Are the people automatically put there?

nodnarbo: Usually people enter with an entry fee,how it will be is yet to be determined although any discussions of the matter I'm sure Fencer will look at with anticipation.

Universal Eyes: I'm assuming the entry fee will be from our chips.

and, people are just randomly assigned seats.

nodnarbo: My point exactly there has to be a seeding to route the tournament.

Universal Eyes: no, there's never any kind of seeding or ranking in poker at the beginning of the game. seating is always luck of the draw, or by sign up order. Everyone always starts with the same number of chips, and thus the same chance to win, no ranking or seeding.

by sign up order would be the seeding of the tournament then,so if that happened here everyone could pick who they play.

Universal Eyes: yes, that is why it might be better to play where players are seated by luck of the draw.

Anyone got 5000 chips or more to spare.. You know what table to go to

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evgen: What, lose a 50k all in hand by folding on purpose, in exchange for a paid membership?

Czuch: he's bluffing

I would give up the whole 100K for a paid membership!!

(1 year knight or 6 month rook, of course...)

Then I'd get you another 100K... ;-)

After thinking a little I would share 88 000 chips for 1 year knight. It may be done by folding of course...

Czuch: yes, i meant right that

5000 poker anyone?

evgen: I can give you a dollar. And you can keep your chips.

I have deleted the recent thread since the global moderators and fencer is aware of the situation. Please post nothing more on it on the public boards as we don't need it to expand further

Vikings: What conversation are you talking about? The trading??

We havent heard from Fencer yet, on his view regarding people "selling" poker chips?

Czuch: I don't think anybody's asked him

What do you think about people "selling" their poker chips?

Seriously... we have brains, that can be used for memberships etc, why not poker chips as well? (at least after you have figured out how to keep multis from ruining things?)

Czuch: And why not "selling" BKR for memberships?

Pedro Martínez: because there is no possible way, really?

Plus BKR is really very different from poker chips.

It doesnt matter when I play poker against you if I have 10 million chips and you only have 1000, if I win or you win, we both win the same amount.But BKR is different, I may only lose 3 BKR if I lose to you, and stand to make 100 if i win, so there is a big difference right there.

Czuch: remember how you got brains.....by spending money, by donating to the site. Poker chips cost nothing moneywise so are worth nothing moneywise.

Bernice: Yes, but you can also win brains as well, and then turn them in for money(paid memberships)... and I guess too, you could make a brains tournament with two people, both multi niks, and then lose on purpose, but not quite the same as poker , where everyone is given 1000 chips every day, or whatever it is.


Maybe poker needs to be for paying members only then?

Czuch: I don't see any difference at all. The chip count, as well as the BKR, determines the ranking of players. Buying a considerable amount of chips is, in my opinion, equal to buying a considerable amount of BKR points. If people are allowed to trade poker chips or BKR, the rankings will become useless. When I play the top player of a particular game, I expect that the player has proven himself to have the best results in terms of playing that game, not in trading chips or BKR for whatever else.

Pedro Martínez: Well, I see your point, but I dont necessarily consider the amount of chips a person has, as an indicator of how good a poker player they are?

Also, like I said before, there is no "ranking" in poker, except for maybe in tournaments, but in normal play, unlike BKR, the amount of chips I win is not dependent, in part, on how good my opponent is, we all start equal every new hand.

But, now that I think of it, if you do want to have the amount of chips a person has actually represent some sort of evidence of how good a poker player they are, then maybe Fencer needs to show us an indication of how many hands we have played to help us out?

We both may have 30k in chips, but If I have done it in 30 hands and you have done it it 300 hands and someone else has done it in 3000 hands, it all matters, no?

Pedro Martínez: Good point.

What's to stop people from doing what has been talked about already on this board? (giving chips if someone gives someone else a membership)

I imagine most people, if they know it is not considered correct behavior, wouldn't do it. But we all know there are people who would find a way to do it anyways.

Pedro Martínez: You see?

I can play in "rookie games" and make just as much in chips as i can in a game against a good player....but with BKR, that is not true, I cannot play all poor players all day and make the same BKR progress per win as I can with a quality player.

Pedro Martínez: Thinking about it more.. I can see too that people could trade bkr for membership too.... if you dont care, you could let me win games of chess to help my bkr, if i buy you a membership.. ... so there is a similarity there...... but again too, your poker winnings on any particular hand is not dependent on how good or bad your m opponent is, unlike BKR

Czuch: I think one think you may not be considering is that even if someone "gives" you BKR, unless you keep "buying" it, it is eventually, over time, going to show your true BKR.

selling chips for a membership is no different than boosting bkr's imo.
same as using a multi nik to gain chips. its cheating, plain and simple.

Czuch: It would be like a baseball avg,your not looking at how many poker hands,it's how many poker hands and people playing in the poker hands,you don't win as often at a table with more people.

Czuch: rookie games it would still be harder to win with 10 players than with 4 but on the other hand it's winning more chips per win.

In order to stop the last discussions I would like to clarify the following point.
It was my idea to give an offer of sharing chips in change of paid membership.
The idea was to see what would happen because in my understanding many players would like to have many chips for playing even if it costed something.
In the same time I have some difficulties with web-money and rather lazy to have it solved. Besides, I have won too many chips and don't see any way to loose it.
Please understand I didn't want to begin such a theoretic and sophisticated discussion.
And of course I didn't want to hurt anyone's feeling.
I absolutely agree with Czuch (thanks him) and in the same time I understand Pedro Martinez (But I don't need your dollar cause I have mine :)))
I like this poker club and all its inhabitants.
I'm satisfied that I had an opportunity to give you a chanse to discuss such an interesting topic.
Yours sincerely,
Evgen

Bwild: Well, in RL, ones stack is their stack, and it doesnt matter how large it is, it doesnt change how good they are, and it doesnt matter really, how they got it, just that they have it....

But in this world here, it does matter somewhat. It is our way of "keeping score", and keeping an accurate score is very important for most people, so in this sense I agree with you, and better to let people keep their own chips, and better for fencer to not use them for any memberships until he can make sure there is no "bad" way to get them too.

Czuch: It's not a good idea to trade them I feel. It makes the rankings a joke, as someone can just 'buy' themselves to the top.

(V): But, like I said, the amount of money in a persons stack is not the same as a poker ranking. For some it may give evidence of how good they are. for others it may simply mean that they play a lot more than anyone else.

Czuch: and hopefully before long we'll see tournament play, which is a different level of player altogether.

Czuch: It's bot money.. it's chips. And yes, it's not an accurate calculation of how good someone is, it'd take another calculation such as average winnings per sitting to do that, or hands one..... or both!!

im noticing more and more that the players here are depending too much on chance and not skill. they pray to get that one card when the hand they are playing is unsound and should never have been played. P1 3H-5S, P2 has JC -9H, P3 AD-KC , P4 2D-QD
If the Flop is AC-QS-9D player two bets 100 player 3 then bets 350 at this point everyone should be folding to P3 Player 1 has no chance of winning the hand. P2 is hunting for a straight and that is foolish, P4 has witnessed a large raise when an A is on the board.. assume he has the A. Dont pray for the other Q!