Nothingness: Its called play money poker....

In the long run though, if you play smart, good poker, you will eventually win more from them than they will win from you

Nothingness: if the next 2 cards are 3 5 player 1 wins the hand with 2 pair and if a j 8 comes then player 2 wins with 2 pair and if the next 2 cards are diamonds player 4 wins with a flush player 3 with the pair of aces at the flop loses in all three situations.

Universal Eyes: yeah, and if I have 3 7 off suit, and I flop 3 7 7, I win with a full house too

Point is.... If your aces raises in front of my 3 7, pre flop, I should never be around to see my boat, but with play money, its more like a low stakes limit game, where its everyone in to the river and the luckiest person wins

Czuch: We not saying if you have 3 7 where taking about specific cards in a hand.

Can anyone translate the most recent post of Universal Eyes into English for me, please?

Look 7 messages back.

Universal Eyes: Your language seems to be too sophisticated for my understanding.

lol that is still a foolish bet you cant gamble on odds that are that bad 5 and 3 is just a hand you should NEVER play preflop or post flop with a high bet and Ace on the Board!

In some others poker sites there is a voting system that allows players to choose the best player (#1, # 2 and # 3) based on their own opinion. And then the moderator calculates the number of votes. If all players vote for themselves (# 1) it is getting funny that # 2 they always judge to a really nice player and in the end he(she) is calcuted as the # 1.
Maybe we should ask Fencer to have something right this here...

Nothingness: Well, never say never.... what if your 5 3 is suited and the ace flops you the nuts flush, or even possibly the straight flush!

Czuch:

I think Universal Eyes and Czuch, you are missing the point of Nothingnesses post. Now, it's likely that by using "Never" he is being too strict, but the point is this: If you always play against the odds, SOMETIMES you will win. MOST OF THE TIME, you will lose.

So, breaking down his hand analysis into a hypothetical situation, let's say you're in a hand, and you're opponent has a pair of Aces. You have a shot at a backdoor flush. (Two Diamonds must come in a row to make a flush). He goes all-in. Do you call??

Now, 1 in about 16 times, you will make your flush. Some of the other times, you will catch two pair. But MOST OF THE TIME, you will lose. That makes this a losing play, and in the long run, making such calls will lose you money.

I made the situation more drastic to illustrate the point (I think) Nothingness was making. If you always play against the odds, you will lose money. If you always play the odds, you will win money.

The tough part comes in not knowing exactly what the odds are!!!!! Some nice guesswork tends to help out nicely, but there I cannot help you...

-Zak

Here's a situation where this applies, but in a different way...

You have A J, both diamonds. Your opponent has Q Q. The pot is 150 to start (50/ 100 blinds), your opponent is in First Position pre-flop, and raises to 500. Since it is a full table, and the raise is from first position, when it comes around to you in the big blind (everyone folds, including the small blinds), you just call. The pot is now 1050

The flop comes Q 5 2, two diamonds. You check, and your opponent bets 300. Do you call?

The answer is yes. The odds against catching your flush are around 4 to 1 ( a little more), but your opponent is now offering you the shot at a pot of 1350 for 300, which is MORE than 4 to 1 pot odds. Now, sometimes the opponent will catch four of a kind, or a full house, but mostly when you catch your flush you will take the pot, and will win at least one more bet. So, it is an easy call.

This brings in the concept of hand protection. If you have top pair after the flop, and there are three players in the hand, it is likely you have the best hand, but if you check, people will draw out on you. Three hands drawing is two hands too many!!! So, you must bet a significant percentage of the pot (more than 3/4 of the current pot) in order to drive out the other players. In this case, perhaps an overbet of the pot is warranted, for instanct, if the pot is 1000, bet 1200-1400!! The idea is to deny the odds to the players involved.

You want to have a caller, but if you can take the hand down now, you've won a pot you could've lost later. Good players take advantage of that.

And if all three players call you, and one catches a straight, and the other one a flush??? Well, that's poker. You did your job, denying the proper odds, and they caught some luck. Cest la vie.

On a side note, the bigger the advantage, and less volatile the board, the less you can bet. For instance, a pot of 1200, and you have QQ, flop comes Q 7 2, with all three suits different. Check, or bet a small amount. You absolutely WANT callers here, because THEY DON"T HAVE THE ODDS ANYWAY.

Hope this helps,

-Zak

I think some people like to play cards?
you can place all the odds you want...granted, in the long run, playing "proper" poker will win you chips, but if lady luck is riding on your opponents shoulder....your sunk, before the long run ever occurs.
Because so many will stay trying to catch an inside straight, or just catch anything, it changes how you need to form your betting tactics.
the main thing is, its virtual chips meant for fun....so have fun!!
now....when Fencer finally incorporates tournament play...

Pedro Martínez:

samanta: ok, I vote zak the second best player on brainking!

Czuch: Zak? I've never seen him playing Poker.

Pedro Martínez:

bobwhoosta: But how do you know that your opponent has QQ assuming he is not that stupid to tell you?

bobwhoosta: The 50/100 table here has 10 people even if it wasn't full 150 to start would mean 3 people playing for the pot and a 500 raise takes it to 650 plus yours brings it to 1150 not 1050.

Universal Eyes: No, he's in the BB in his example, everything is correct

/nit

joshi tm: You are correct, you never do know exactly what your opponent has in their hand.

It could be a well timed bluff, and every so often, you will rightly fold to a worse hand than your own.

But again, over time, a first position raise (on a full table especially) is NOT going to be a pure bluff.

...also, good poker players have learned to always mix up their play style or strategy, so good instincts and the ability to read tells becomes very important as well (some people prefer online play just because tells dont become a factor)

the programming from the card´s is good... equal....
in the playing window i miss a few things like a possibillity for a flag with the funktion fold, for faster playing...

i am sure this was already asked before, but i cant find it right now

yesterday i played poker for the first time on here and i like it .. quite addicting :)

sometimes i see 2 winners : 1 wins the pot and another wins the 'side pot' ?

when does this happen ?

Hrqls: If one person put in all their money (lets say 100), and then 2 others bid higher (lets say up to 150) - then if that first person wins, they will only win up to what they put in (100x3 = win 300) - which will leave 100 left in the side pot, in which those 2 who bid higher play for that, and the one who has the higher hand between those 2 win that one.

coan.net: ah, thanks!

that sounds logical and fair

so if i save 50 credits for the last game and go all in on the first round .. then i can only win <nr of players> * 50 ? the rest of the pot will go the second best hand (provided they had enough credits to play normally :))

a few questions :

can the ace be used as a '1' ?
i mean : is A-2-3-4-5 considered to be a straight ? (or nothing)

are there situations where more than 5 cards are used to determine the winner ?
for example :
player A has in his hand 2 and 10
player B has in his hand K and 10
on the table is 6,7,8,9,Q
will the pot be split (both players have a straight) or will player B win with his (6th card) K ?

whats the minimum amount you need to play in a game ? as much as the big blind ? or more ?
(i am not talking about how much you need to join the table, but amout the amount you need to participate in a game when you are already on the table)

Hrqls: Yes A2345 is a straight.

You always use the best five card hand from each player to determine the winner. Whatever cards are left over do not matter at all. So in your example both players have the same straight and the pot will be split between them.

Minimum amount to play in BK poker is the size of big blind. (Unless it has been fixed recently. You really should be able to play until you lose all your money.)

And about the side pots: you cannot win anymore from any player than you put in the pot yourself. For example P1 calls 10, P2 raises all-in 50, p3 raises to 100, p4 calls and then P1 folds. Main pot will be 10+50+50+50=160. Whoever has the best hand in the end will win this. P3&P4 will also be playing for a side pot of 50+50=100.

puupia: thanks! very clear answers :)

about the straight :
A-2-3-4-5 is a straight ?
10-J-Q-K-A is a straight ?
Q-K-A-2-3 is a straight ?

i think the first 2 examples are .. the third is nothing ?

Hrqls: Yes, you are correct. First is the lowest possible straight, second the highest straight. The third is not a straight at all, you cannot loop around like that.

puupia: thanks :) .. 15 minutes and i can play again .. lets find out if this knowledge improves my play :)

how many games of poker have been played until now ?

Hrqls: 132416 and counting.

Fencer: from which 7 were won with a royal flush

which means i have to play about 19000 more games to get one :)

will there any statistics available about poker on this site ?

Hrqls: After the site is rewritten.

Fencer: thanks in advance :)

Hello,
thanks a lot for this game.

I don't know why but I only played one time because There are no players in the tabels and I tryed several days and several hours.

no limit...table for 6??

well...guess the system doesnt want any players.
keeps disconnecting me.

anyone care to try some no limit? table for 6

anyone care to try some no limit? table for 6

Hello where is everyone

wildrose: w're here..... on the big table...

Fencer: BrainKing No Limit Fast High Bets 5 Seats(21:19:52) Table has been frozen for several minutes & will not release us from the table. The other tables seem to be working fine, but not this table http://brainking.com/en/PlayOnlinePoker?g=35

Thanks Fencer, the tables working now......bad timing for deluis nice to see he still received the achievement even if he only won 50 chips.
(22:39:54) Dealer calculates the winner(s).
(22:39:55) deluis wins the pot with four sevens. The kicker card is six.
(22:39:55) deluis earns the achievement [Le Chiffre]!
(22:39:55) deluis wins 50 chips (main pot).

I often find the poker page displays wrong or out-of-date stuff. For example, it shows me in Under-The-Gun position, but then skips right over me and the bet moves to the next person before I am given a chance to act.

I do a full refresh of the page, and it then shows that I'm actually in the Dealer position for that hand, but by the time it's all reloaded, my hand has timed out.

I just lost a hand with KK in the hole, because this stupid bug caused a time-out while I was waiting for the refresh.

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