Ughaibu, maybe its because if men want to discuss their own preferences among themselves, thats up to them, but if they discuss the same subject about women who have no way to defend themselves in that fellowship then thats a whole new ball game. Then the subject is being discussed about women without their knowlege or consent. So when these women find out what has been said, it makes them mad that they are being talked about in such a vulgar way. Why is that difficult to understand?