does anybody know if what Mamba is saying is a load of rubbish or true ? , if someone can "trip" the dice wouldnt it just be the same roll that the person playing the game would have rolled anyway .

My question would be

1) how do you know someone else (a guest) "tripped" your dice?

2) Why would it matter - can a person actually make the dice roll differently or in a certain way by doing this?

I mean to me, if the dice are rolled randomly now, or later - it will give me the same result both times - random dice.

yes this has ocuured to me.i have been testing a few games on a backgaamon board re these 2 ways:
it refreezes
it does not re-freeze..unless hit on by ANOTHER opponents blot.
it seems the 2nd way makes for a more logical game.
although,this makes it a bit more complicated than I originally thought.

I’ve to reply to your message...again.
First, what you are saying now it’s very different from the other messages that you sent me, because you accused me TO MAKE YOUR MOVES and TO CHEAT the games. That is an accusation that I’ll not allow you to do.
Second, if you have a problem with me you should talk to me first and wait to know my answer. Besides that you are lying about it, because you sent me the first message on 8. September 2004, 13:27:45 and you put a message here, 3 minutes later on 8. September 2004, 13:30:53, without let me see yours in the game or replying to it.
Third, i never said that i did not see your games, or other games, because they are public and anyone at anytime can see it. Play private if you don’t want to show yours.
Fourth, i learn how to play some games by seeing others playing. It’s not illegal, or against the rules.
Fifth, in gammon games everybody can see the last move and the dice roll for the next move, but THEY CANNOT CHOOSE THE DICE. Computer program is the one who make the dice roll, not me or anybody else.
Sixth, i do not know if a player can generate the dice roll or if the dice are already generated and it shows only when a person sees the game, and if it is different if it rolls at 01.00 am or at 05.00 pm. I don’t know either if anybody saws my games before i play it and if it does i really don’t care about it.
Seventh, supposing the dice rolls only when the first person sees the game, it’s still completely indifferent because you cannot know if the dice roll, is better or worst.
At last, your other remarks in your message like “dice god”, “bozo” and others, are totally stupid to be commented. Grow up kid!

all i know is the dice are random if I can roll them ...if somebody else does it in my absence then i'm just getting what somebody else rolled...why shouldn't i be able to roll my own dice ..??!.....i doubt i'll play anymore dice games here once mine are finished just because people walk all over my games whemn i'm not here and i don't like them rolling my dice for me...if didn't have any arms i might like it but i'm perfectly able to roll my own...if this was a real game on a real board and somebody picked up my dice and rolled them do you think i should be obligated to use them ...i don't think so...so why here..???

Again, how do you know someone else is "rolling your dice"?

I mean according to the Bug Tracker ( Bug #54), This was already fixed. So PLEASE let us know how someone is still rolling your dice that way we can update the bug tracker and get the problem fixed.

Nobody dice the rolls, the dice are automatically rolled in the moment that a player click on the "move" button!

you mean i'm the only one that knows this..???....if you click on somebodys game..a dice game...your rolling the dice for them at that instant...you don't see that....???..i do....and when i come to the site before i log-in i look at my games in the "guest" mode to see what kind of moves people made and what i shoould be hoping for in the way of dice ....but i can see if somebodys already rolled my dice or not..they'll be there bigger than the small dice that have already been used by the other player.....so any game you look at by clicking on that game other than in the 'guest' mode is rolling the dice for those players...and that nemo dude seems to make a habit of rolling other people dice...

ok...i just went and looked at Aissi's games...3 of them..anti-gammon....in game #452127 with msdelete..move#76 she'll get a double 2....in a game with jason..game#449718..move #7...she'll get a 5-2....in another game with jason...move #78 i think..she'll get a 5-3...those are all moves that are yet to be made by aissi...all i did was click on her games and ..boom...there's the dice she's going to use next time...have a look at the games...so if you log-into any games other than in the guest mode your rolling the dice for that game...if you still don't know what i'm talking about than your an idiot...lol

then i must be an idiot too , guest mode or not i cant see the differance if your looking at the game you must have "tripped the dice"

you don't understand that that's what i'm saying...YES....i tripped the dice in those 3 games of hers.. intentionally ......so i could explain what's happening....do you see the bigger dice..???...those are the ones that wern't there till i clicked on her games...now the dice are there and those are what she gets..period..!!....she can't say...i don't want those...i didn't roll that.....it's there..NOW....and that's what i don't like about the way it works here for dice...somebody rolls my dice when i'm not here and i don't like it...i'll play dice games at IYT...there's other games i like here...did i explain ok this time...lol

But this is different from the accusations you made on your first message. You Accused Nuno Miguel of cheating...

Mamba - I just tested this and I can not find this bug at all, and it looks like it is fixed to me

Here is what I found:
Player 1 invites player 2 to a anti-backgammon game, player 2 accepts.

Guest looks - see's no dice yet

Player 1 looks at game, sees dice of 5-2, and loses first roll, submits.

Guest looks at game and see's the 5-2 roll

Player 2 vies games, and moved 5-2 and submits

Guest views game, can only see 5-2

Player1 views games, see's new roll of 6-2, moves and submits

Guest views game and only sees roll of 6-2

.... and so on, and so on

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The only thing I can think about the games you posted about below is that they had already looked at the board but did not make a move yet. If you look at other games in the same tournament (as a guest), you will find that you can not see the dice.

Plus I just looked at your only anti-backgammon game where it is your opponents turn and I can not see the dice of his either (as myself or guest)

well it seems to not be doing it now...i can't get the dice to roll in any game i tried...so if you tried to fix it i reckon you did.....and VNV nation.....it was cheating when he did it because it was at a VERY critical point in the games and he wound up getting me doubles 5's and then did it again and got me a 5-2 which sent 2 of his pieces back because i was barred..hard to explain the circumstances but he knew he wanted to see what i was going to get for dice so he rolled them for me....i'm glad it's not doing it anymore....thanks

So you think he decided what rolls you were going to get? (since you're calling it cheating)

How would you know that he did this without going to your game, which would have brought the dice up anyway?

I was wondering what the record is in # of moves on an anti game on BK?????

is this too long?..is still running..

Anti Backgammon - aissi vs lovelysharon

looks like it still has a long way to go too... lol

lol - yep! Both still over 200 pips to go! :-)

this one has more moves jason & lovelysharon

hmmm looks like there is a common denominator there.. :)

it could be you lol

I had games go 800+ moves on iyt in the past...

what are the points or and is it best to hve the least

The points are how many "spaces" you have left to go in the game, so yes - the least amount of point you have in most cases, they better you are.

Why is there no doubling cube used in BG for the 5 point matches?

The points are what BG players call "pip count". Fencer said that he is going to add the cube soon.

Here is an idea that I came up with in a flash last night. It's a tournement format for backgammon, called "Duplicate Backgammon". It is similar in concept to Duplicate Bridge, where all teams play the same cards.

It would work like a double RR, but each game has the same rolls, but with each player playing different colors, hence, the rolls are "opposite". This would add much more skill to the game, as a player must play both sides of a rollout simultaneously.

Of course, some precautions would have to be taken to prevent a player from "looking ahead" in the rollout, but hiding the next roll until both games have moved should be relatively simple to program.

anyone want to play a quick nack tourney? I need one more to sign and it will start!

A "doubling cube" wud be nice, are there any plans to add getting the points for a gammon or back gammon??

A cube is planned - 3rd on the priority list right now.

I was floored when I saw my BKR drop from yesterday being 20 to today's 50.

Do BKR's drop that much on a normal basis?

Do you mean your position in the table dropped from 20 to 50?

Yes, that's exactly what happened. That's quite a big drop overnight, wouldn't you say?

All the ratings were recalculated from scratch to correct errors caused by some bug or other I think. Not too sure of the details.

To correct errors caused by timeouted and restored games.

Okay ... thanks for the explanation.

=^..^=

How many games do you have to play to get on the top 50 list,my ratings are at appoximatltly number 62 but still do not see my name.

Your highest rating that I see is 74 in dark battleboat

you've sort of answered your own question UE, the listing is the top 50 and you're number 62ish.. you won't be in the top 50 list till you're in the top 50 ! It's not down to the number of games, but your amalgamated ratings.

look at this situation : http://brainking.com/game/ShowGame?g=521868&i=52

i had a 3 + 5 at my next turn ...

i could have used the 5 first to move 19 to 24
after that i would not have been able to use the 3 as everything else was blocked from 3 steps

is that allowed ?

if you can use both dice (even if it is a bad move for you ,like leaving open pieces ect) then you still have to use both pieces .

It's allowed in respect that you can do it!

I think most players here follow normal backgammon rules and use both dice when possibvle - and the higher of the two dice if only one can be played.

ah ok .. i didnt know it until someone told me :)

i used it in a game last week .. i dont remember with whom though .. if 'you' read this please send me a message if you want to do something about it

- suppose i have a 5 and a 3 in another situation and i can play only the 5 or the 3 (but not both) do i then have to play the 5 ? although the 3 might be a better move ?

yes always the highest dice possible , like bumble said it is possible to use the other but you might get called a cheat . I have had it happen to me before now without even realising .

ah ok .. will pay attention :)

thanks

hmm one more :)
(hey i just learned this game some weeks ago! :))

what if i have 3+5 once again in a situation where i can only play both dices with 1 piece .. so i can either play 3 and then 5 or 5 and then 3 .. do i have to play the 5 first ?

always the highest dice possible ;) . you have to make sure that the piece you have moved (eg) 3 places isnt the only move that could have also played the 5 first and then the 3 . lol its hard to try and explain easily .

so if i can capture an opponents piece by moving 3 and then 5 .. its not allowed ? i should hop over it by using 5 first ?