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5. Мая 2011, 17:29:59
Übergeek 바둑이 
Субъект: Re:Nodoby cares, and nobody admits responsibility for it.
Сделано для Übergeek 바둑이 (5. Мая 2011, 17:30:13)
(V):

> Our countries do, that's why there have been several inquiries in to the Iraq war and it's
> legitimacy. That's why (or so the rumour goes) Blair and Brown were not invited to the
> recent royal wedding.

I am sure it really hurts not to sit there in a photo op with the royals. Let's contrast for a minute what happened with Slobodan Milosevic and his trial, against what our leaders face. Our leaders went to war and sent 400,000 Iraqis and 300,000 Afghans to their deaths. We have atrocities like Abu Graib. Bombings like the ones here in Lybia. Our leaders support fascists, dictators and despotic kings when it is politically and economically convenient.

Then they hold inquiries that find nothing worng. What a coincidence that the same governments that go to war also hold the inquiries. I am sure the government in the UK was really going to come out and say "Yes, we did manufacture intelligence to make Saddam look more dnagerous than he was. Then we went to war, not to save Iraqi people, but to make sure our big oil companies made fat profits." Then, the final veredict is that those people who ordered others to go to war don't get invited to a wedding? The truth is that our emperors face no real consequences for their actions.

5. Мая 2011, 18:54:10
Mort 
Субъект: Re:The truth is that our emperors face no real consequences for their actions.
Übergeek 바둑이: As in DeAtH.. no. Political suicide by the will of the people or their parties.. and some time removed (as happens) more will come out.

"Our leaders support fascists, dictators and despotic kings when it is politically and economically convenient."

I cannot dispute that.. I wouldn't try. Yet thankfully thanks to an invention by a UK national we can web it and/or it gets reported. So much has come out that regardless of the limitation of "remits" we can see around so much of the bull.

"Then we went to war, not to save Iraqi people, but to make sure our big oil companies made fat profits."

Not entirely true, as mentioned before I think Iraq was an easy victory for the American war machine, while Afghanistan is another Vietnam kinda combat. Blair truly thought Saddam was an evil person. Maybe a debt was thought after the uprising that was encouraged and then left about 250,000 Iraqi's in Saddam's hit list book.

And as you said.. oil.

Thankfully some people have come up with ways around that now to be archaic system of powering transport. Some guy in the UK for years has been for years making bio fuel at home from old chip fat.. nano batteries are just around the corner.

.. Give it time, we might even see the rise of the mighty eco companies in our lifetime

5. Мая 2011, 22:00:37
Mort 
Субъект: Re:It's always been this way. It's the lesser of two evils. I'm not so sure there are many other options
Artful Dodger: 2000 years ago (roughly) didn't Christ offer another way.. or are we too irresponsible to be responsible?

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