BGBedlam: Oh yeah, plenty to say about that. As per usual we'll both be heckled for mentioning this elephant in the room but who cares at this stage. My current findings about slow play is what I call 'ghost' players, there are more and more of these here these days (I'm only aware of those who play backgammon). I suspect they are given free membership then start games with a generous time control but only play when they are about to time-out even though they visit the site to make one or two moves every single day. It looks like some matches are being played but the truth is they last forever and that's simply not the way backgammon is played. I'm simply not interested in playing matches that last a year or more. Due to the above this website now feels dead, there's very little dynamism left. Pity.

It's quiet in here. Anyone got any thoughts on slow play! ;)

ketchuplover: it is you have to click on the drop down menu!

Its 22 euros

a 6 month white rook membership. That option is not on the Paid Membership page. Please explain. Gracias in advance

Bernice: SB scores are worked out for individual sections of round robin tournaments and don't apply to individual games. They are a way of deciding what to do when there's a tie and can't be used to compare performance in different tournaments nor to track progress over time.

In your May Flame Pit Dice Poker tournament, you and Bwild both got 3 points, so the winner of the section/tourney is decided by the quality of your wins, which your SB score tries to measure. The 3 opponents that you beat managed to score 1+1+2=4 points between them. But the opponents that Bwild managed to beat scored 3+1+2=6 points between them. So Bwild's wins are judged to be more impressive than yours (since 6 > 4), so he gets awarded the top spot.

Does that help?

thanks for all of that LOL....Im still none the wiser....

Carpe Diem: Oops! You are right of course.

happyjuggler0: "Your S-B is decided by the number of games your collective opponents have won. If you play against players A,B,C,D, and E, and player A won 3 games, and players B and C won 2 games each, and players D and E won 1 point each, then your S-B score is 9. If the player you are tied with under the "points" column has a higher S-B than you, then s/he wins the tournament at BrainKing. If you have a higher S-B, then you win the tournament. If you have the same S-B, then you both win the tournament."

Vikings: I am going to push back on that, because at the very least it seems misleading or confusing, if not just plain wrong.

S-B is a tiebreaker system. If you win four games and tie one game, then the tournament table will say that you have "4.5 points".

There is also a column labeled "S-B". If someone else also has 4.5 points, this method will decide which of you wins the tournament, or sometimes the tournament will be a tie if both of your S-B scores are the same.

Your S-B is decided by the number of games your collective opponents have won. If you play against players A,B,C,D, and E, and player A won 3 games, and players B and C won 2 games each, and players D and E won 1 point each, then your S-B score is 9. If the player you are tied with under the "points" column has a higher S-B than you, then s/he wins the tournament at BrainKing. If you have a higher S-B, then you win the tournament. If you have the same S-B, then you both win the tournament.

One can argue that this makes sense, or not, but it is how things work here. If nothing else, everyone plays under the same system.

your S-B score is based on the amount of wins that the people you beat have won. So in the first tournament your opponents won a combined total of 6 games where as your opponents that you beat in the second tourny won a total of 4 games combined

Query? I had an SB score of 6.0 in a game of Dice Poker I won the other day and havev just come equal in number of games and my SB score is 4.0...I havent lost THAT many games in the last 2 days to go that far down? Any suggestions please.

Aganju: thank you

speachless: looks like you cannot have 40 pieces on the ace point... It gets automatically reduced to 16.
I can only agree with your issue, that is certainly a bug.
Regarding your question - technically, an administrator can do whatever at any time. However, typically they would want to do it now and not 5 moves later. I recommend you send a personal message to Fencer, and put the link to the current game (not two moves back) in it.

is it for an administrator possible to correct ONLY the points calculated by brainking after a move or does he need to restart the whole game? my opponent got from 39 to 16 after a roll of double-2, so 15 pieces disappeared... i wrote already about the issue 2 days ago through the contact form but didn't got any answer, so I'm wondering if I should move on and maybe loose the game cause of this single error, even if I was supposed to win?
Cloning Backgammon (TheAlchemist vs. speachless)

How is it possible?
Last action of player 'X' - 1pm. But his games still move on... (I'm not blocked by player 'X')

Happy Birthday to Pedro Martinez :) hope it is a real real good one ;)

ThunderGr: you're very welcome

speachless: My apologies. I corrected the original post.

ThunderGr: you wrote *Speachless wrote much more....in HIS comments*
HER please, I'm a woman :-)

Justaminute: I don't visit the discussion board very often, I'd rather just play the games.

Justaminute: good point

Believe it or not, despite of the most generous time controls features here on BK, there are some people that systematically Time Forfeit their games.

I would be more interested in a TF(%) on someone's profile rather than a deceptive average speed.
When someone goes on vacation during the summer, this average speed may drop significantly without representing the actual playing speed of a person.

And, of course, Hrqls is right. Some people do take their games seriously enough to think more in one type of game(e.g. Grand Chess or Shogi) than in another (e.g. Dice Chess or Ludo)...

Aganju: I like that idea of showing the average speed on someone's profile .... this speed can differ greatly though for various types of games

Justaminute:

Dice Cheater:
The first round of this argument was on 4th June. Round 2 kicks off on the 15th, 11 days later.

Rather ironic when the post was about slow play.

Bernice: You must be joking, right? What kind of language has he used that may be offensive or insulting, that could be a reason for banning? Speachless has used much more offensive remarks in her comments.

Agreeing or not with a person's opinion is one thing, threatening him with banning for no reason at all is another.

nice language Dice Cheater......people have been banned for less than that

speachless: I'm starting to really like you, speechless . [insert cute blushing and kissing emoticon which I can't insert because I'm a tight arse who can't be bothered to pay for a full year's membership (bring back the one month spur-of-the-moment membership option, please)]

Papa Zoom:

Dice Cheater: i can stand behind every single word i wrote to you, and as i can see from the posts you generated after your complaining about slow players, i think there are enough people thinking similar as i do.

and btw: thx that you made me "aware" that my nickname speachless isn't english grammar - well it's because it's just a nick and didn't need to have the definition of speechless. but if you think you need to point up, go on feel free to show us your "innocent" posts again...

speachless: I just read your heated rant regarding my innocent post in which I dared to question the generous nature of the BK time controls. Good Lord you're quite verbose for someone named 'speechless' (or speachless, but that's not English grammar) . I stand by my post and its tone, I simply expressed my opinion so keep your shirt on, it's easy to feel like a Ninja while sitting comfortably and feverishly typing on a keyboard with a nice cup of tea at hand. I hope you keep enjoying BK as much as I do and that you keep playing at the pace that best suits your capabilities.

ScarletRose: BK Rulez

Papa Zoom: 

ScarletRose:

435152: If you want quick games like that then you should go to POGO or other sites that offer you to sit in a room with your opponents and play out the game.. This site is different from that so either deal with it or leave.. 

rod03801:  well said!

Let's please refrain from name calling.
He has definitely gone on and on about this stuff, and "quit" the site several years ago when he was asked to stop spamming discussion boards with the SAME rants over and over again. Then he came back under another name, and proceeded to do the same thing, and was given the same request. You may recognize another name that has more recently given the same complaints as this name. (Unless his posts were removed, I don't recall now) I have sent him a PM and reminded him that he has been given plenty of notice about "spamming" and it won't be tolerated this time either. (Not that he has done exactly that yet)

We should all remember, as Roberto said, that this sort of issue will always come up with turn based sites. It is just a "fact of life" that we all have to deal with different playing styles/habits.
For some reason, this person has never quite gotten over the fact that this is NOT real time and over the board playing.

I think the problem here is people don't seem to understand that Brainking is not supposed to be a replacement for board games, it's supposed to be a replacement to "mail chess" - that old system where you'd send an e-mail to a friend with your move, then he'd e-mail you back with the next move, and so on. If you expect to play an entire game from start to finish in half an hour, then I'm sorry but you're on the wrong site. And that isn't the players' fault, they play on the site the way it's meant to be played.

Justaminute: Maybe he/she was swallowed into a Black Hole and doesn't know it....yet

435152: Either your English is really bad, or you are a rude idiot.
I said I make ALL MY MOVES 4 - 6 times a day, that means i play all the moves I can make in all games , until none is remaining. And I think you sound like a rude idiot because you assume others 'cannot find the moves' like you obviously can. Before you state such offensive nonsense, you should check first. Obviously, the only thing yuo ever learned to play is Chinese chess, and that seems to make you qualified to talk about move speed in other games.

ThunderGr: Probably but I dont think that is current either. Most of the posts were to the chinese Chess board so the style and nature of the posts will be familiar to readers of that board.

Justaminute: Nice catch . He could have another account, though.

435152:
Your stats are interesting.

33 games played in total and none current. The last game was played in 2009. Posts to boards, 103.

Complaining if you have an active interest in the site is one thing. But your stats don’t support that.

435152: Nope. The problem is that some people have to go to work, shopping, spend time with their family, etc.
In addition, some people have hundreds or thousands of games and it takes time to make a move in all of them.

Obviously, you are very inconsiderate about the conditions of other players.

4-6 moves a day and you consider yourself a very fast player? for me it only take 1/2 hour the most. max 5 minutes per move.
who need 16 hours online to finish a game?
the problem is you don't have the ability to find the move over the board.

435152: I think you are not considering people that still have a work life or whatever - not everybody is online 16 hours a day and has time to play. I consider myself a very fast player, and I typically make all my moves 4 - 6 times a day, but still I could not finish a game within hours.

Hrqls: I think it would be cool if every player has a numebr showing in his profile that shows the average time -to-move for him. Easy to calculate for the database.
And then, of course, when you create a tournament, you can limit this value.

Being in a voluntary club and 'making a promise' is one thing, but why have humans patrol and policy this? So much easier if the computer does it.

Hrqls: thanks.
the regular game should be finished in hours and the fast game in minutes. i don't think people are this type of player.
sorry i can't start a new club like that. no one will join...just leave those guys enjoy the way they play and what type of player they are.

435152: feel free to start a new club with even faster time controls

just post the rules of that club on your profile, and a list of the members .. and make sure everyone on that list obeys the rules, otherwise you will remove them