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6. February 2013, 20:45:08 Subject: Skewed Games  FWIW, for the games mentioned thus far, the BK results look like this: Horde Chess - W 71.71% B 25.27% Mancala - W 63.11% B 33.41% Maharajah Chess - W 32.69% B 60.52% Pente - W 54.13% B 45.75% 6x6 Reversi - B 50.46% W 47.41% - the other 2 variations have less than a 1% spread 6. February 2013, 21:13:16 Subject: Re: Skewed Games Carpe Diem: Add "battleboats plus" to the list. I also want to point out that those pente statistics are deceptive. It is more like 80-95% wins for player one when top players play each other. Scroll to see the match results thus far in this match: Pente (aleph_1 vs. Brf) 6. February 2013, 21:28:36 Subject: Re: Skewed Games Modified by Carpe Diem (6. February 2013, 21:31:42) likewowman2cool: Absolutely, but wouldn't that apply to most games? The better the players, the more in-depth understanding they have of the game, and the closer they'll be to optimal play, which will increase any inherent biases in the game. Thinking about it, it's not surprising the "plus" adaptation of Battleboats would be flawed - pretty big advantage going first when you get to make 5 moves, and sinking boats reduces the opponent's moves. I wonder if a simple fix for that game would be one like in Connect6 - you don't get the full 5 moves on your first turn. 6. February 2013, 21:31:05 Subject: Re: Skewed Games Carpe Diem: Ah yes, you are correct. I guess it is just that I am not familiar with those other games so that hadn't occurred to me. For anyone looking to play a pure skill game that is essentially 50-50 even for top players, then I suggest trying connect6. 6. February 2013, 21:33:30 Subject: Re: Skewed Games likewowman2cool: Haha, funny you would mention Connect6 - I just edited my last post to say that using the same idea as Connect6 does for the first move might help with the Battleboats Plus problem. 6. February 2013, 21:34:55 Subject: Re: Skewed Games Carpe Diem: I like your suggestion for battleboats plus. I would love it if they changed it so that for the very first move of the game that player one gets only 2 moves, and then for the rest of the game it is 5 (or fewer of course once ships get sunk) for both players. 6. February 2013, 23:07:11 Subject: Re: Skewed Games Carpe Diem: You forgot one way checkers. Easy win for white. In 3 moves it get a huge advantage... 6. February 2013, 23:53:44 Subject: Re: Skewed Games Gabriel Almeida: Didn't forget; I've never played it. ;) I just listed the ones people mentioned. 7. February 2013, 07:53:13 Subject: Re: Skewed Games another example is connect4 : player 2 has a big advantage there as well 7. February 2013, 14:21:03 Subject: Re: Connect4  Hrqls: white 34313 (51.78 %) black 31472 (47.49 %) You sure about that? 7. February 2013, 15:34:54 Subject: Re: Connect4 Roberto Silva: hmm just a feeling .. i like it best to start as player 2, and i think i win more when my opponent has the first move will have to check my games to be certain |
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