I think the bottom line is, Bry's backgammon tournaments remain among the most popular on BK.
And of course anyone is entitled to promote their tournament here. And of course anyone is entitled to express their opinion. This is the Tournaments discussion board.

As Bry says, though, you know the set up of the tournament before it starts. If you accept that, sign up. If you don't accept it, then don't sign up. There are plenty of other tournaments, or create your own with your preferences as to
game time etc.

BG: Its not you that he meant was moaning, BG. There are others to scream, cry and stamp their feet about it!

Who's moaning? I am untitled to my considered opinion. What it will do is make me consider more carefully before I renew my membership again. This board is better served by people who play timeously than others.

BG: Yes, you may be right. I think there are pro's and con's. You either join them or you dont - time for people to stop moaning about it when a link is posted.

We've had the discussions on time limits and sportsmanship many times already so perhapos this should be the last post on the subject.

I like your approach Bry, but some players take a pride in moving slowly. Their attitude is that if you don't like it don't join tournaments that they are in. As these people tend to enter every tournament going, it can make tournaments very frustrating when three months after everyone else have finished they are holding up their section of the tournament. Naturally all this is legitimate, because as they argue they are not doing anything wrong. I would argue that it is not within the spirit of gamesmanship.

baddessi:

The reality is most people move every day. Yes there are some players who use more of the time, but if you have a number of games going, you can cope with one or two not moving very fast.

I remember a few weeks back, Chessmaster 1000 had real problems getting online and timed-out in quite a high number of games. If these games would have had a higher time limit, they would not have timed out. Having a higher time limit would not have affected how often CM1000 moved, and more often than not the opponents too.

I move usually every day - the only reason I choose 21 days for my tournaments is so that, should I have any problems with access, I know my games will not time out, BUT it doesn't stop me making moves on the games every day, nor many many others.

I have to say that since I'm on often, I love the fast tourneys. When work is slow, or it's the weekend, I can rush through them quickly- sometimes if my opponents are on line- it's great to have a one on one and finish it right away! Very fun.
I also like the ones I'm not under pressure to move every day when work picks up. Since this sight gives you so much flexibility, why not enjoy both kinds? I do!
I love your tourneys Bry. There's always great competative players in them. I'm in!

frolind: Correct.

If you dont want to join then dont. If you do, good luck and enjoy it.

Exactly - if you like it, join. If not, then don't join. There are plenty of tournaments with many different limits for everyone - so instead of complaining about ones you do not like, it's much beter to just join the ones that fits your needs the best.

This is commented every time Bry posts his tournaments here. Time to just accept Bry's preferences?

BIG BAD WOLF: That seems eminently sensible for chess perhaps, but backgammon!!! Who needs more than a minute or two to make a backgammon move? If everybody took 21 days the first round could take two to three years!!

BG: That is the time allowed per move

Bry: Is time for the game (21 days) the time from the beginning to the end of the game, or time per move?

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rod03801: i agree. Anybody who needs to set up a tournament which starts more than a month in advance has a serious problem. Maybe this should be moved to "Feature requests" to see if we can get some sanity to tournament setup!

BerniceC: Personally, I don't think it should be allowed. (It should AT LEAST be limited to when a person's paid membership ends). My theory is that they like seeing their tournaments always advertised in that green box at the top of the main page. I believe it randomly advertises tournaments on the list, and of course, the more tournaments you have in there, the odds of it being your tournament advertised, increase.
I don't understand the need to have the ability to set up such huge numbers of tournaments, so far ahead of time..

why would anybody set up games (tournament) to start in 400+ days...with a 5 day play....my god...it will be 2020 before most of these would be finished LOLOL.

Is this person just being a pest???

Looks like many of the tournaments, which annoyed so many before the tournament list was restructured, has become useless or overly optimistic after the BKR recalculation.
Not that I mind. Just an observation. :)

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BIG BAD WOLF: The solution is to automate the removal process. I woukld consider not having this built into BK as a bug!

nobleheart: I'm not sure what you are saying.

My "dummies" tournaments are setup so that only people rated 1500 and below along with unrated players can sign up. But the problem is that people will sign up when they are below the rated level or unrated, but by the time it starts - ratings change to go above the limit so if they are way over, the tournament creators job is to remove those people.

I could set up intermediate & advance tournaments also for players rated in many different sections - many the next time I create a "dummies" tournament in a few weeks, I may create 3 tournaments for different levels or something - I will think about it.

BIG BAD WOLF: would it be more fair to set it up so that tournaments can be set for a "rating range" for beginners,intermediates,advanced or no limit.
but then the time ,effort to create this & the load on the server would be a great condideration.

Winner is: sarok

Well played, Oscar! All others, thank you for the games and the fun!

The best solution would be if the system automatically removed anyone AS SOON as they became ineligible. ;-)

No, what is hard is when only 4 players are signed up and one of them are in lets say the 1700's.

So on one hand you want to remove the now really high rated person, but on the other hand - if you do, that tournament will not start. Now that is a hard choice.

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Luckly I have not encountered a situation where someone is at 1599, and another is a little higher. - so have not had to worry about that. (But if I did, and plenty of other people were in the tournament under the limit - I would probable remove both.) Again, 1600 is the number around where I conser to be "way" over 1500 - so I do have some flexability either way. But again luckly I have not had to worry about a situation like that yet.

Vikings: It would avoid a lot of unnecessary bickering if everybody over 1500 at the start of a 1500 and under tournament was automatically deleted.

This is a bit like police speeding fines. Do they book you for going 101 in a 100KPH area. Not usually. 102? 103? (In NZ it is almost a well known fact that you can go 110 and not get booked, but if they radar you at 111, then they throw the book at you.)

So if the removals must be done by human intervention, then accept 1599, reject 1602 would be a perfectly acceptable thing to do. You need to have a breakoff point. Hey, what about 1605, 1609, 1612? May as well make it an open tournament if the rules are so flexible!

Pythagoras: I wouldn't, what if someone is 1599 and someone else is 1602, do you remove just the one in a 1500 and under tourney? I think not

As a trying for accuracy human, i believe that you should state: " if a rating changes to be over 1600 then.....". Way over is undefined......
But as long as the treatement is the same for all participants then i don't see any problem.......

BIG BAD WOLF: I think you handle your Dummy tournaments just fine and what you tell THE HIT MAN is about the same way of thinking I'd have if I set one up like this. You are just being fair with joineys. Trying to make it fair game to everyone involved.

THE HIT MAN: As I write in the tournament description, if a rating changes to be WAY over 1500 (which I normally make the cut off mark at 1600), I remove them. Since ratings do go up and down, and normally my tournaments sign up time stay open for about a month - a lot can change.

And if someone is a little over 1500 when it comes time to start, I will normally let them stay. But when it goes way over I will remove them.

I'm sorry that I do not write the fact that "way over" to me equals 1600 and over, but that is the same rule of thumb that I have used on all 11 of my "for dummies" tournaments.

BIG BAD WOLF: Yes WOLF,But if it states 1500,wouldn,t you agree it should be that.To keep it a fact that when you state 1500 or what ever BKR it is.This would eleminate alot of problems that go on.

THE HIT MAN: This is what is in the tournament description:

"►► Since it is possible for someones rating to raise about 1500 after signing up, if the rating is WAY over 1500 I may remove that person from the tournament - to keep it fair for everyone. (PLEASE NOTE - I will go through and remove these players about a day or so before the tournament starts... so if you see someone way over 1500, they will be removed before the tournament starts.) "

The tournament is set to start soon, so I went through and made my first cleaning. My normal "rule of thumb" is to remove anyone more then 100 over the limit - so if someone did raise their rating to 1534, they will still be able to play. Anyone over the 1600, well I remove them as per the rules of the tournament.

This is nothing against you - I do this for everyone. Heck, I also removed my sister from the Hasami Shogi tournament since her rating was now over the 1600 point, so I don't know how you can think I'm being mean. I can understand if I did not mention that this would be done ahead of time, but I did - Go read the tournament description - it is all there! It is about a day before it starts, and like the description says - I'm going through and removing the higher rated players. I'm sorry if you can not read this or did not understand this, but I'm not sure how I could make it any more clear.

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The point of the "dummies" tournament is for players with low ratings, or unrated to be able to play either a new game, or a game which they may not be too good at without having "experts" with high ratings ready to kill them in 3 moves. You, and anyone are welcome to play in any game where your rating is under 1500. But if it goes to high before the tournament starts, to be fair to everyone - I will have to remove them. (Again, as writen in the tournament description.)

Still a day left if anyone else wants to join:

http://brainking.com/en/Tournaments?trg=11113&trnst=0

THE HIT MAN:I will save you the trouble of removing me from others to.Your name suits you well.BUT my house is built of BRICK.And your wind will no longer be bothering me .

BIG BAD WOLF: Yes i can be way under that when tournament starts to,Plus a certain person sighed in same game over 1500 to

THE HIT MAN: As I just replied to you in the private message you sent me, your current rating is 1635 - which is over the 1500 limit.

If you read the instructions of the tournament, I clearly state that I will remove people who are over the limit before the tournament starts - which is what I was doing.

BIG BAD WOLF: Whats the idea removing me from 5 in line in your next 1500 and under tournament

Winner: stemacis

And there is already a winner of another cash prize tournament. I am sending $50 right now.

GEMINI J: Yes, you are correct, the next round will not start any quicker - whatever your membership. I was meaning you would be able to enter other tournaments whilst you wait.

ClayNashville has 4 $50 tournaments going on right now, also..

Pedro Martínez: oopsy.. sorry Pedro, Maybe I should say there has only been on to my knowledge! ooopsy

Rose: There has only been ONE cash prize offered up since the site began.

This is not true. I remember at least three other cash prize tournaments.

GEMINI J: There has only been ONE cash prize offered up since the site began ( ppl donated 5 bucks to enter that tourney as well) there are however lots of tournies that give 6 month or year memberships.. check out the tourney section to see for your self! there is always one going on.

Bry: i will still have to wait even if i did have membership surely!? guests can enter only one tournament at a time, i know that! if u read my orginal question the answer applies to all tournaments, so is not relevant to purchasing membership, which i am considering doing, as i have been very impressed with this site, and enjoy compettive games, which brings me to my next question, i was told by someone on a nother site that BK had the odd cash prize tournaments, i have seen no evidence of this, was someone pulling my leg?

I thought purchasing membership was not the issue here; it's being able to play in the final of the tournament that he is already in.

GEMINI J: ;) - or purchase membership.... so you dont have to wait... :)